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    Hi folks, here is what I ended up with as my lifting schedule for 3x a week. After a lot of experimenting, I don't think I recover if I lift >3x a week or if I squat on all the days. However, I want to milk 5x5 again, switching to 3x5 later.

    From cardio, I do daily walking/gardening (from 45 min to 2+ hrs); 1 x a week - a run (30 min), 1x a week - a swim (30 min) and 1 hap ki do class (~ 1.5 hrs) & plan to see if I can add 20-25 min boxing every week. Some play, like shooting hoops or playing with my kid.

    Does this look functional or does anything looks superfluous? I did not include warm-up sets.

    Day 1

    SQT 5x5 + Walk-Out, Lift Off
    Barbell Back Row 5x5
    weighted hip raise with back on the bench 3x12
    Turkish Get Up w KB: 3x5 each side

    Day 2

    SQT 5x5 + Walk-Out, Lift Off
    BP 5x5
    KB 2-handed Swing or Snatches (depending on my wrist) 5x15
    Planks 3 to 5

    Day 3

    OHP 5x5
    DL 1x5
    Split & Jerk 5x5
    Pull-ups/chin-ups 5 sets of 2 to 4
    Overhead Barbell Walk (building up to 100 steps)
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    • #3
      That looks like a great program. You have all the important stuff (squats, deadlifts, presses, rows, and chinups). Feel free to change the assistance exercises to suit your goals.
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      • #4
        Thank you for the check, folks. Just wanted to add that we do push-ups weekly in some shape or form in my MA class, so I keep them out of the programming for now. I was paranoid about not squatting 3x a week, but seems to be a good decision actually, since it feels like they always get tired out in the garden and in the MA class.

        I do change up or cut out assistance depending on what's available equipment-wise, time, my mood and how wiped I am.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Leida View Post
          Hi folks, here is what I ended up with as my lifting schedule for 3x a week. After a lot of experimenting, I don't think I recover if I lift >3x a week or if I squat on all the days. However, I want to milk 5x5 again, switching to 3x5 later.

          From cardio, I do daily walking/gardening (from 45 min to 2+ hrs); 1 x a week - a run (30 min), 1x a week - a swim (30 min) and 1 hap ki do class (~ 1.5 hrs) & plan to see if I can add 20-25 min boxing every week. Some play, like shooting hoops or playing with my kid.

          Does this look functional or does anything looks superfluous? I did not include warm-up sets.

          Day 1

          SQT 5x5 + Walk-Out, Lift Off
          Barbell Back Row 5x5
          weighted hip raise with back on the bench 3x12
          Turkish Get Up w KB: 3x5 each side

          Day 2

          SQT 5x5 + Walk-Out, Lift Off
          BP 5x5
          KB 2-handed Swing or Snatches (depending on my wrist) 5x15
          Planks 3 to 5

          Day 3

          OHP 5x5
          DL 1x5
          Split & Jerk 5x5
          Pull-ups/chin-ups 5 sets of 2 to 4
          Overhead Barbell Walk (building up to 100 steps)
          I'd modify it a bit:

          Day 1
          Squat 5x5 Moderate intensity, about 85% of your 5RM
          OHP/BP (alternate each week) 5x5 Moderate intensity, about 85% of your 5RM
          Pull-ups/chin-ups 5 sets
          Turkish Get Up w KB: 3x5 each side (left from your workout)

          Day 2
          Squat 2x5 Light, about 80% of your Day 1 weight
          BP/OHP (if you did bench on Day 1, this is OHP, and vice versa) 3x5, light intensity
          Split & Jerk 5x5
          Planks 3 to 5 (left from your workout)

          Day 3
          Squat 1x5 heavy
          OHP/BP 1x5 heavy
          DL 1x5
          Overhead Barbell Walk (building up to 100 steps)

          This will allow you for more recovery, since you're not squatting 5x5 two workouts in a row, and should let you progress better. This is the general Texas Method template, by the way. The deadlift is on day 3, which is the intensity day, officially, it's on day 1, the volume day. You can play around and see which is better for you.

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          • #6
            That's a very interesting suggestion. I need BBR, as I find that my back is my limiting factor in basically all lifts. I also achieve the best muscle growth when I do 5x5 even if it is lighter than less sets of heavier reps. I heard that women need more sets, maybe that's why, just dunno.

            I wonder if I can do 1 set of heavy squats, 5x5 BBR and 1x5 DL on Day 3, if I put 2 days recovery between Day 1 and Day 2?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Leida View Post
              That's a very interesting suggestion. I need BBR, as I find that my back is my limiting factor in basically all lifts. I also achieve the best muscle growth when I do 5x5 even if it is lighter than less sets of heavier reps. I heard that women need more sets, maybe that's why, just dunno.

              I wonder if I can do 1 set of heavy squats, 5x5 BBR and 1x5 DL on Day 3, if I put 2 days recovery between Day 1 and Day 2?
              You could probably do BBRs after deadlifts on Day 3. So maybe (dropped Overhead Barbell Walk and replaced with BBRs):

              Day 3
              Squat 1x5 heavy
              OHP/BP 1x5 heavy
              DL 1x5
              BBRs 5x5

              I would be careful adding other lifts, in general. Many times, less is more.

              By the way, why do you think your back is the limiting factor and why do you think BBRs are a necessity to fix it? Hard to imagine heavy deadlifts and chin/pull-ups would leave you with insufficient back strengthening.

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              • #8
                I am very much with you on not adding lifts, and actually taking unnecessary ones down. I think I will give a shot to your suggestion of subbing overhead walk and keeping 3 OHP/BPs.

                I keel forward on sqt, and have tough time keeping upper back strong on the BP as well. BBR seem to help with the upper back. I started on the older version of 5x5 back when BBR were out, but when they were added back in, I seem to have improved. I seem to feel that movement in the upper back when I row, and it is heavier lift than BP or OHP for me. Does it make any sense or am I totally confused?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Leida View Post
                  I am very much with you on not adding lifts, and actually taking unnecessary ones down. I think I will give a shot to your suggestion of subbing overhead walk and keeping 3 OHP/BPs.

                  I keel forward on sqt, and have tough time keeping upper back strong on the BP as well. BBR seem to help with the upper back. I started on the older version of 5x5 back when BBR were out, but when they were added back in, I seem to have improved. I seem to feel that movement in the upper back when I row, and it is heavier lift than BP or OHP for me. Does it make any sense or am I totally confused?
                  What do you mean "keel forward?" Are you unable to maintain spinal extension, or is the bar getting forward of your balance point?

                  Barbell rows being stronger than bench press (which should be stronger than standing press) is not abnormal, and you should indeed feel them in your upper back.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Leida View Post
                    I think I will give a shot to your suggestion of subbing overhead walk and keeping 3 OHP/BPs.
                    Just remember that the setup is: volume, recovery, intensity. Moderately intense 5x5 press on Day 1 (volume), the other press 2-3x5 light on Day 2 (recovery), and 1x1-5 intensity press on Day 3.

                    So if you bench 100lb 5RM and press 60lb 5RM, two weeks would go approximately as follows:

                    Day 1 - Bench 85lb 5x5
                    Day 2 - Press 40lb 2-3x5
                    Day 3 - Bench 100lb 1x5 (when this fails you can switch to triples, doubles, singles, and eventually reset to 5s)
                    Day 1 Week 2 - Press 45lb 5x5
                    Day 2 Week 2 - Bench 75lb 2-3x5
                    Day 3 Week 2 - Press 60lb 1x5 (same as above)

                    Add weight every week. So if you succeed at the above, next bench is 87.5-90lb 5x5 and 102.5-105lb 1x5, depending on how much you are able to add. If recovery from Day 1 is an issue, consider using a bit less weight, or not going up in weight on Day 1 every week, or doing fewer sets.

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                    • #11
                      Hi quikky, yep, I do progressive over-load in this fashion.

                      Are you unable to maintain spinal extension, or is the bar getting forward of your balance point?
                      lose shoulder tightness and cannot maintain the spinal extension. I try to unrack when that happens, but it is always too tempting to finish the set.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Leida View Post
                        lose shoulder tightness and cannot maintain the spinal extension. I try to unrack when that happens, but it is always too tempting to finish the set.
                        I have a feeling this a form issue, not an upper back strength issue. Are you doing high bar, or low bar squats?

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                        • #13
                          Low - seem to be more natural for me, but I have a weak wrist and sometimes go higher (more unstable though). PT checks my form every few months, seem to be fine on low weight squat, apart from a wiggle at the bottom (balancing left-right thighs for that). Basically, after chasing bigger lifts, I am going to stick with lower weights for now till I am steady.

                          It doesn't help that it is gardening season atm so I am skipping lifting more in favor of digging, soil laying and planting and sunshine (maybe putting a couple of session a week + martial class) so I have a bit of a hectic schedule. I feel bad about it, but then again, we have 6 or 7 months of winter in our fair city, so I will have ample time to work in the gym later in the year and get strict with the programming. Maintaining the habit/form is probably all I should be worried about for now.
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                          When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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