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  • Bodyweight to me = lifting weight.

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    • This thread is ridiculous. Does anyone want to join me in the middle, somewhere between the skeletal metrosexual pansies and the egotistical musclebound rapists?

      As to why more men don't lift weights, I guess the biggest reason is that it's just not their thing. Just like many guys don't care about being rich, or having kids, or spelunking, or running for political office, many guys just don't care about the iron game. I happen to love it, but I wouldn't do it if it felt like a chore. Even among lifters, many people don't care about aesthetics. Witness all the people on this forum who think that working on your biceps is a joke.

      Another thing is that most people don't know about StrongLifts or Starting Strength, which are way the hell easier than the routines pushed by bodybuilding magazines. I used to start off with legs: 3 sets of leg presses, 3 sets of Smith machine squats, 3 sets of leg extensions, 3 sets of leg curls. Then on to chest: 3 sets of flat bench, 3 sets of incline bench, 3 sets of decline bench, 3 sets of flyes, and so on for each body part. When you're not seeing results, this wears you down after a while. Oh, and each set is done to failure, with a good number of drop sets and partial reps thrown in. And if you question any of it, you're a pussy.

      I think more guys would lift weights if they knew how easy, fun, and effective it is, just like primal eating. But then there would still be lots of guys who wouldn't like it. Don't forget that even Mark doesn't recommend barbell training. He's not anti-iron per se, but he's sure not a Rippetoe disciple.
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      • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
        Lent my brown body paint to Derp and my thong to Geeknik's hubby.



        My lower back isn't rounding at all. My upper back is always a little bit round due to some thoracic kyphosis, but it still maintains extension throughout these reps. Not saying these are perfect (hips rise faster than the shoulders on a few reps), but they're close enough to a 5RM that perfection is an unrealistic standard. So, in short, thanks for the unsolicited and incorrect advice.
        Wow, you are a douchebag. You are correct, it was more your upper back. You looked like you were going to be pushed into the floor with what I consider a warm up lift. Come back to me when you can squat 350 with good form for reps.

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        • Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
          This thread is ridiculous. Does anyone want to join me in the middle, somewhere between the skeletal metrosexual pansies and the egotistical musclebound rapists?
          Are you calling me musclebound? How kind of you.
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          • Mark Twight (Trainer for the 300 Movie) summed it up best:

            "Appearance is a consequence of fitness"

            So all these guys who are too worried about "bulking up" etc. are really just out of shape humans. If you are ok with that... hey why not be the best you can be? It is easier to just talk about why you don't then to go out and do it.

            And PrimalHunter where did you get the idea that Mark doesn't recommend barbell training?

            He references and recommends a starting strength style workout here:

            How to Gain Weight and Build Muscle | Mark's Daily Apple

            And alters rippetoes GOMAD to ADEAD (a dozen eggs a day).

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            • Originally posted by Abu Reena View Post
              Wow, you are a douchebag. You are correct, it was more your upper back. You looked like you were going to be pushed into the floor with what I consider a warm up lift. Come back to me when you can squat 350 with good form for reps.
              considering he was squatting 265 for reps ATG, I'm sure he can get in the 300's to parallel. And he was right, you did give unsolicited advice. You are totally "that guy" at the gym I bet

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              • Originally posted by Abu Reena View Post
                Wow, you are a douchebag. You are correct, it was more your upper back. You looked like you were going to be pushed into the floor with what I consider a warm up lift. Come back to me when you can squat 350 with good form for reps.
                350 is damn near 2x bodyweight for me. If you're squatting 2 bodyweights for reps with perfect form (and to depth), you should probably be familiar with anatomical kyphosis and know the difference between the thoracic and lumbar spines. And also know that it's rude to give unsolicited form advice. (actually, I just checked, and this is the example given in the dictionary next to the definition of douchebaggery)
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                • Originally posted by dabears View Post
                  considering he was squatting 265 for reps ATG, I'm sure he can get in the 300's to parallel. And he was right, you did give unsolicited advice. You are totally "that guy" at the gym I bet
                  Yeah, I can squat 315 to that same depth for a single. Maybe a little more. It's not impressive, but it is 2x bodyweight.

                  And good call on Abu being "that guy" in the gym. So true. That's why I train at home.
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                  • Originally posted by dabears View Post
                    considering he was squatting 265 for reps ATG, I'm sure he can get in the 300's to parallel. And he was right, you did give unsolicited advice. You are totally "that guy" at the gym I bet
                    So what? I don't do that in the gym, and his form sucked. You put something on the web like that you're either being a douchebag and showing off (though 265 is nothing to brag about) or you're asking for advice. I get now which he was doing.

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                    • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                      Yeah, I can squat 315 to that same depth for a single. Maybe a little more. It's not impressive, but it is 2x bodyweight.

                      And good call on Abu being "that guy" in the gym. So true. That's why I train at home.
                      To think that this board used to be supportive. I guess the asshats have won.

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                      • Originally posted by dabears View Post
                        And PrimalHunter where did you get the idea that Mark doesn't recommend barbell training?
                        His Primal Blueprint Fitness ebook is all about bodyweight exercises. He personally avoids barbells because he's more concerned with maintaining strength and avoiding injury than making gains. He's always talking about optimizing but not maximizing muscle size, being fit without carrying around a lot of metabolically expensive muscle.

                        Originally posted by dabears View Post
                        He references and recommends a starting strength style workout here:
                        Yes, that's one of my favorite posts, but it's not typical for him. It's like he wrote that post just to satisfy the lifters, then returned to his regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

                        Originally posted by dabears View Post
                        And alters rippetoes GOMAD to ADEAD (a dozen eggs a day).
                        I'm a fan of ADEAD, but a dozen eggs is 840 calories, hardly a magical formula for weight gain.
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                        • Originally posted by Abu Reena View Post
                          So what? I don't do that in the gym, and his form sucked. You put something on the web like that you're either being a douchebag and showing off (though 265 is nothing to brag about) or you're asking for advice. I get now which he was doing.
                          Not showing off at all. Someone wanted to see my swole 14-inch gunz (note: anybody who doesn't at least chuckle at that phrase doesn't understand it), and this form check video I posted on StartingStrength.com (where I solicit form advice, and get accurate and helpful feedback) was the only available source, since I'm at my work computer. I'm certainly not trying to impress anybody with my powerlifting prowess.
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                          • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                            Lent my brown body paint to Derp and my thong to Geeknik's hubby.
                            Don't mean to hurt your feelings, but, I don't want your brown body paint, I like my white skin

                            I guess what makes a man a man is lifting weights, eh? Nothing else.

                            I tried lifting, it was boring as hell, and incoming excuse: but it's a lot harder for someone 6'3 with hyperthyroidism to put on mass than it is for someone 5'6. Short of roiding, or eating massive excesses of calories, it's impossible for me to gain considerable mass.

                            That said, despite being really light, I'm not really that weak. My legs are strong, as are my shoulders, and chest, and this morning for you Rich, I did 30 pullups and chinups.
                            Last edited by Derpamix; 05-30-2013, 08:26 AM.
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                            • Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                              His Primal Blueprint Fitness ebook is all about bodyweight exercises. He personally avoids barbells because he's more concerned with maintaining strength and avoiding injury than making gains. He's always talking about optimizing but not maximizing muscle size, being fit without carrying around a lot of metabolically expensive muscle.
                              Yeah I've read through it, and I like the workouts. I think at his age + fitness level though he is able to talk about maintaining strength + avoiding injury, since he is a pretty strong dude. But for beginners looking to get stronger, nothing beats a barbell (it's been argued on here constantly!). I think his "metabolically expensive muscle" comment was more referred to the bodybuilder type crowd anyways (lots of sarcoplasmic muscle growth, glycogen stuffed muscles). He even references it in the article I posted.


                              Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                              Yes, that's one of my favorite posts, but it's not typical for him. It's like he wrote that post just to satisfy the lifters, then returned to his regularly scheduled program, already in progress.
                              I'm glad he did, it was one of the first posts I ever read on here. I think barbells fit perfectly with his "lift heavy things" philosophy... they just seem less "grok-like".


                              Originally posted by PrimalHunter View Post
                              I'm a fan of ADEAD, but a dozen eggs is 840 calories, hardly a magical formula for weight gain.
                              Haha believe me I know, I think it was more tongue in cheek than anything to turn a mass gaining protocol (more like fat gaining anyways) into something more primal. That being said, adding a dozen eggs a day to a maintenance level diet would certainly work! I prefer to just increase my overall meat/carb consumption and lower the fat a bit.

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                              • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                Don't mean to hurt your feelings, but, I don't want your brown body paint, I like my white skin
                                I know you do. That was the joke.

                                Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                I guess what makes a man a man is lifting weights, eh? Nothing else.
                                Being capable is part of what makes a man. Lifting weights is an extremely efficient way to get capable.

                                Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                                I tried lifting, it was boring as hell, and incoming excuse: but it's a lot harder for someone 6'3 with hyperthyroidism to put on mass than it is for someone 5'6. Short of roiding, or eating massive excesses of calories, it's impossible for me to gain considerable mass.
                                I thought you ate 10,000 kCal worth of sugar a day?

                                It's not that easy for me to put on mass either. I have to work damn hard and eat a lot more than I want to to make any kind of gains. And nothing about my mass is "considerable." Yet.

                                Everybody doesn't need to be a powerlifting champion. But a man should be able to carry a friend out of a burning building (to re-state an earlier example) if he has to. Remove a stuck lug nut. Carry all the groceries in from the car in one trip. That kind of stuff. Lifting isn't the only way to get there, but it's the most efficient.
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