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  • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    You were arguing success rates. You said "millions of people" lose weight through CW dieting. But those people don't exist.
    No I didn't. Here:

    Originally posted by quikky View Post
    Katherine, you can lose weight on a CW diet and keep it off, no problem. The problem is not CW diets not working, it's that people, like ChocoTaco pointed out, "diet" and don't make lifestyle changes. There are plenty of fit people out there, the majority of which are following a CW diet. Most people fail because they starve themselves and do boring cardio to lose weight, then they lose the weight, start doing less cardio, start eating a bit more again, and regain the weight back. They do not make a permanent lifestyle change.
    Originally posted by quikky View Post
    Who's arguing success rates? Failure to lose weight is due to the individual, not just what food they're eating. Primal is easier for weight loss, but a CW diet also works. The issue here is discipline, which the vast majority lack.
    I never talked about numbers.

    Even if I did, "millions of people" is a common expression for "a lot", not a statistical reference. Also, considering there are what, about 7,000,000,000 people in the world? Say 10% follow the CW diet, i.e. about 700,000,000, out of those, millions is as low as 2,000,000, i.e. 0.28%, or about 1 out of 357 people. Do you honestly believe less than 1 out of 357 people following conventional wisdom, have tried to lose weight and failed? That's a pretty damn low percentage, not that I really care to argue about statistics.

    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    The problem for you isn't that CW diets don't work and so few people lose weight through them that they can only be reasonably described as a failed strategy. It's those lazy gluttons who are insufficiently disciplined to starve themselves forever.
    I would say most people who try to lose weight on any diet (I really don't like that word, by the way) fail. The reason, as I mentioned, is discipline, and a "diet" approach, not a lifestyle one, not the fact that the specific diets are ineffective. I personally know several people who have failed on paleo. Two managed to do it for 30+ days. One decided that it is too restrictive and that she missed bread too much, and the other gradually started eating non-paleo and returned to the previous state. Therefore, paleo is ineffective and unsustainable, right?

    I don't know who needs to starve themselves. I'm sure most athletes are not doing paleo, yet they gain and lose weight at will, and stay in their weight classes, if applicable. I personally had no trouble intentionally losing or gaining weight on a low-fat diet with plenty of grains prior to paleo. I've also had no problem gaining weight on paleo.

    Are you arguing that a CW diet is somehow incapable of reducing body fat?

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    • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
      Nah, the issue is neurological and physiological endocrine and hormonal health. Which CW does not address and does not set you up to "win" the way a primal diet will.
      Sure. That's why I'm not arguing about health, I'm arguing weight loss.
      Last edited by quikky; 06-13-2013, 07:27 PM.

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      • That's not what it means at all. It's being needlessly proud about it and flaunting it. It's about the mindset that, "This is what real women look like."
        Choco....

        I appreciate your being supportive in many posts but being a douche about a woman who DARED wear a bikini is a dick move. Guess what, she could go get some skirted piece of shit from Lands End and still look bad. White America has a fucked up idea that women need to look like super models to be considered remotely attractive. I exclude other ethnicities because they are OK with considering bigger women attractive. In Europe, Choco, you could wear a speedo and its fine even if you have a beer gut. And a 250lb grandma can wear a bikini.

        I wear a bikini at the beach because I can't find anything that hides my arms and legs and I like underwires. If you don't like it, look at the 16 year olds across the way, OK? If you want to sit there and be critical and snide, feel free, I'll be playing in the surf with my dog.

        I spent fucking years listening to my mom bitch about people who didn't belong in a swimsuit and spent WAY to many beach trips sitting there in shorts and tshirt reading when I wanted to be out playing in the water. I mean, I get to see every fat ass man gut on the beach, they can see my tummy OR better yet...go pay attention to the sexy lady in a bikini.

        So Choco, in all honesty... fuck you, worry about your own god damn wardrobe.

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        • Oh...by the way.... that mentality of criticizing bodies and "only X has earned the right to be proud of her figure" and throwing up a pic of a genetic freak....

          That's a big part of the reason why women here that are 5'8 and 130 lbs stress over eating an apple. That's why your date pukes up her chicken salad. That's why the fat chick won't join CrossFit. That's why women just give up and eat oreos in sweat pants.

          Because I will NEVER look like the woman in the second photo. Even if I skip all fruit, eat every other day and do CrossFit, plus heavy lifting and live on my elliptical. I might be able to get plastic surgery though. But guess what, I'll wear my damn (supportive and fuller coverage bikini) and enjoy my life in my "C" or even "D body.

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          • One woman is no more "real" than the other. The difference is the first woman should know better than to be wearing something like that, unless she enjoys negative criticism. Both women should love their bodies and treat them with respect, but someone that truly loves their body wants the best for it.
            I could go on all day long with this shit...
            The woman in the second photo has fake tits (it looks like). Nothing says primal more than being cut open and having a couple bags of silicone stuck under your tits. I hope for her sake, they don't leak 10 years down the road because that sure as hell isn't what's best for her body.
            So why did she put the fake tits in? Because the "image" of a body that looks good in a bikini has tits larger than you can get (in general) and still be "skinny". Notice you didn't throw up a pic of flat chested gal with some muscle tone.
            So to me, someone who gets potentially dangerous plastic surgery to "fix" a "flaw" isn't really respecting their body. But even our young hot thing needs intervention to actually be our idea of attractive.

            Now, let's go to the "fat chick". She has some cellulite. I'm sorry, most women have some cellulite past a certain age. Even thin ones. She could go get poked with a laser and take care of that for ya so she doesn't offend you with her cottage cheese thighs. I have cottage cheese thighs. They carried me through a marathon while I was starving myself in hopes of looking like the thin chick. Now they squat a lot of weight... more excitedly, they helped me execute 3 consecutive 215 lb deadlifts. I can't wait to see how much my 1 rep max is because God blessed me with some big fucking thighs that look like hell in a bikini. Oh wait... one more thing. At the end of yesterdays WOD I kept up with a hard body guy at the end of a run. There go those thighs again. But to make society happy, I should cover them with burka or go pay the plastic surgeon to mutilate them with a laser because the fucking fat I need to make a baby is kind of lumpy.

            Now let's look at her stomach. It's kind of big. Maybe she carried a baby and didn't have an army of personal trainers to get it taut immediately. That said.... 7 out of 10 men on the beach have bigger ones. Mines smaller, but my skin is looser. Go me. The body gods blessed me with a relatively small waist. I also have a nice strong core. I can do planks, sit ups, good mornings. I work a lot on my core. But ya know what- I got some flab there. It's a little stubborn. Shall I go get some plastic surgery?

            Now her arms. They are nice. I'd kill for those. I have bingo arms. I can do 150 push ups in under 10 minutes. The collagen done gave out in my arm skin. I live in the South. I'm sorry that a few months of the year you have to see my arms jiggle.

            Now if you see me or this woman at the beach and you feel the need to moo at me or call out for a beached whale siting that's fine. But realize that the same shit been said to me in a full coverage swim suit. It's been said to me in appropriate fat person uniform of baggy pants and tshirt. It used to really affect me. Now I don't really give a shit if some asshole thinks I'm fat and wearing the wrong garment. I think they are an idiot that probably needs to get laid more or they wouldn't be paying attention to me.

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            • I think he's merely pointing out that if you FAT it's not something to be proud off, and as we discussed earlier, apparently FAT is 'biologically undesirable' or some $hit.
              It isn't so much that someone is overweight and wears revealing clothing that's the problem, but the attitude that "its who you are" and "it's what a real women should look like" when it's NOT. It's unhealthy and unattractive most of the time. But because they've given up on losing weight they fall back to pretending their proud of themselves...and that's the problem.

              I think that's what he's getting at. NOT, YOU SHOULD LOOK LIKE A COVER MODEL. It's You should look healthy.

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              • Magnolia, you rock. And damn you are strong!

                Lockstock, you just don't get it.
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • I think it's time to post these again:
                  A Lion in Iron: Women
                  A Lion in Iron: Ladies, Measurements Don’t Matter
                  The Champagne of Beards

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                  • but the attitude that "its who you are" and "it's what a real women should look like" when it's NOT
                    Darling, I look like the fat woman in a bikini. I'm not quite sure what else I should do. I've eaten primal for damn near 18 months and kept track of calories most of that time. I've done Crossfit for about 8 weeks. I do it 5 times a week and I pretty much keep up without a lot of modifications because before I started going I did a HIIT class and ran and did body weight stuff. I also pull this off without a whole lot of aches and pains. My body has survived a marathon training and a hell of a lot of torturous dieting. It survived stupid beach body shit. I'm close to 40. I take no pills, I have no disease. I have no ongoing aches and pains. I spring up in the morning ready to roll and come home reenergized after a hard work out.

                    I have a healthy fucking body that happens to have some excess fat on it in places we don't like it to be. I'm fucking proud of my body despite the fat. I can throw a pic of me up in a bikini and you can vomit when you see the cellulite on my thighs and whatever. But my body is not unhealthy and I'm not going to apologize for being proud of a healthy strong body that also has some areas with less than attractive fat and flab.

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                    • We women just would like to be able to go out in public with the bodies we have and not be under constant pressure to find flaw and receive unwanted, unasked for criticism and advice.

                      We already self-limit the things we do so as not to be a target of criticism. I did not even own a bathing suit until last year and so far I've worn it a grand total of once. I hadn't owned one for about a decade. I swam in shorts and a tank top.

                      It is not fair that men can walk around with giant guts blubbering all over the place and think nothing of it. It's also a bit of a double-standard that the Rippetoe worshippers all believe a man needs to be at minimum 200lbs to be considered a healthy strong man. A healthy strong man is naturally about 25-50lbs less than that. A lot of these 200+ pounders are whales but you'll never see anyone threatening to push them back into the water at the beach.

                      A woman should not be required to look like an elite fitness model with abs and shit in order to be allowed to go about her business unmolested. Heck, even looking like that sets you up for a whole new level of public molestation to deal with.

                      Being a woman makes you a public object. Your body is not your own, it's out there for everyone to judge and touch and tell you where can go and what it can do. It gets really annoying from the moment it first happens. I'll bet most women remember that moment when everything changed and their body became not their own anymore. I certainly do.
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • This is why it is important to realize that one's opinion of you only matters if you need something from that person. If they have nothing that you need then their opinion of you means nothing.

                        That means that spectators at the beach can think whatever they want, it doesn't affect you. Fuck 'em.
                        The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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                        • Originally posted by aliphian View Post
                          This is why it is important to realize that one's opinion of you only matters if you need something from that person. If they have nothing that you need then their opinion of you means nothing.

                          That means that spectators at the beach can think whatever they want, it doesn't affect you. Fuck 'em.
                          +1

                          And to put it in another way nobody can make you feel anything. They can't make you feel bad with criticism or feel good with complements. You have the power to allow their comments to have that effect or not. Don't give others that power over you.

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                          • Originally posted by aliphian View Post
                            That means that spectators at the beach can think whatever they want, it doesn't affect you. Fuck 'em.
                            100% this. women spend way too much time inside of their own heads. too much time reading magazines in the checkout line, and too much time giving a shit about the celebrities on the red carpet. in general, men aren't nearly as critical of womens' bodies as women are of themselves. and if you are confident, comfortable, etc in your own skin, then just be yourself. the things that other people think only matter if you let them. and I sincerely doubt anyone is running around on the beach looking at the girl who is 30lbs over her ideal weight, and calling her names while kicking sand in her face. not owning a swimsuit because you were a few pounds heavier than you'd like to be, or because your boobs aren't as big as your friends, etc, is utter bullshit. in the grand scheme of things, nobody cares. in life, someone is always going to be bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, better looking, skinnier, more muscular, more whatever than you are. be yourself. be the best you that you can be.

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                            • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                              someone is always going to be bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, better looking, skinnier, more muscular, more whatever than you
                              You're talking about me, right?
                              The Champagne of Beards

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                              • Out of curiosity, where do you people live that you get public ridicule for having extra fluff? I've never seen or heard anyone making fun of someone in public about their weight. Well, at least after I graduated from middle school.

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