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  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
    Nah! Movnat is only for those skinny jean wearing pussies who aren't real men enough to get under the bar!
    If you get under the bar, you can up your movnat potential several notches.

    Please note that "if" is not the same as "if and only if". Scrawny people in skinny jeans, being intelligent, would know the difference. However, i must point out the difference for the meat heads.
    Few but ripe.

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    • Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
      Ishmael is interesting, but hardly 'THE TRUTH'. He keeps banging on about people 'locking up all the food', when in reality, agriculture was a pretty good way of avoiding famine and starvation, at least in the short term.
      agriculture doesn't avoid famine and starvation, it causes them.
      The Champagne of Beards

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      • This guy has a lot of heart.
        He also looks damn fit.

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        Check out my blog. Hope to share lots of great recipes and ideas!

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        • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
          agriculture doesn't avoid famine and starvation, it causes them.
          totalitarian agriculture

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          • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
            I don't think you will find any encyclopedia that recognize "hunter gatherer societies" or "Inuits" as civilizations, so you are mistaken, and if you don't have some arguments to back up your claims, then I have no more to add here...

            civilization - National Geographic Education
            ok. taken from your link:

            "Characteristics of Civilization

            All civilizations have certain characteristics. These include: (1) large population centers; (2) monumental architecture and unique art styles; (3) written language; (4) systems for administering territories; (5) a complex division of labor; and (6) the division of people into social classes."

            so none of this exists without agriculture? are you truly saying that? I suppose that based upon your narrow-minded definition of civilization, you are right. hunter-gatherers and cultures such as the inuit aren't part of any civilization. they have no population centers, no architecture, no art, no written language, no system for administering territories, no division of labor or no division of class. these people must be anomalies. hmmm....

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            • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
              totalitarian agriculture
              Yeah. Our kind of agriculture.

              Anyway, some (slightly more serious, hopefully final) thoughts on the original question of why men don't lift weights:

              1. Most people (both sexes) would indeed benefit from some weight training. The majority of people who think an injury precludes them are misguided and confused about the body's ability to adapt to stimulus and inability to adapt in the absence of a stimulus. In other words, for most people under the impression that they can't squat and deadlift due to injury, squatting and deadlifting are their best or only hope of healing. Lifting won't turn your bones to dust. Not lifting will.

              2. It's damningly hard for most people to get strong without lifting weights. Saying that Al Kavadlo is proof that bodyweight exercises make people strong is akin to saying the guy on the 8-minute abs infomercial proves it will work for you. If you love movnat, CrossFit, or bodyweight exercises, you can attempt to program them so as to promote strength (and, if you're a novice, riding a bicycle will make your bench press numbers go up), but they quite simply cannot do the job that the barbell can. And that job is to make you strong.

              3. We live in a society in which strength is undervalued. Strength is incredibly useful on a day to day basis, as well as in emergency and crisis situations. Strength underlies all the other parameters of fitness. Strength training with barbells, in the words of Dr. Jonathon Sullivan, is Big Medicine.

              4. Everybody should read this article, and all women should read both of these.
              The Champagne of Beards

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              • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                They've eventually always got to include that picture, the unobtainable image of a woman that lifts.

                Otherwise they're all nice articles.
                Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                • They've eventually always got to include that picture, the unobtainable image of a woman that lifts.
                  I agree one one level, but I think that strength training gets more consistently good results then other options. The place I go now that is a mix of Crossfit and strength training, ALL of the women who have been going for 12 months plus have well above average bodies. They may not be uber cut, but that have muscle and "attractive" amounts of fat as well as consistently flat stomachs and good shapes.

                  That's pretty good odds versus other programs I have tried and seen. I'd say 50% of my Galloway running group was obese when we started and obese when we ended. Granted, it was only a 6 month group, but I saw little to none improvement in appearance. The HIIT class was similar- most people seemed to never look any better over 6 months and the ones who looked good were already athletes in other arenas.

                  So while I realize I probably won't look like the women in the blog, within two months, I have seen fat loss/inch loss through my core and legs, more muscle in my shoulders and back, firmer behind, my arms are getting smaller, less fat (though excess skin makes flab an issue) and a reduction in leg cellulite. In short, with LESS work, my body is making bigger changes than running, P90X, HIIT classes, Insanity etc. ever did without any significant change in diet.

                  The changes I'm getting through the weight training are the ones we generally want- flab reduction and overall tightening plus "shaping" where your ass and shoulders work together to make your waist look smaller. I feel like I am overall building more "structure" to my body.

                  So no, I'm never gonna look like Miss Tight 6 Pack, but I can look far better than shapeless flab and it seems to be a fairly consistent result. One of the best things is the number of women in the classes that are OLDER (post kids, over 40) and look very tight.

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                  • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    They've eventually always got to include that picture, the unobtainable image of a woman that lifts.
                    You should post your before & after photos. They're convincing from where I stand. And you only started what, 6 months to a year ago? I don't think the pictures are unobtainable for a lot of people.
                    The Champagne of Beards

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                    • Nice post Rich and the articles were worth reading, if only there were more trainers like Alexandre Cortez.
                      Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                      • Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                        so none of this exists without agriculture? are you truly saying that? I suppose that based upon your narrow-minded definition of civilization, you are right.

                        Yes, I am truly saying that - all human civilizations are rooted and founded by agriculture - that was my statement that you called "blatantly false" when you first responded to my original posting. So like it or not; "Civilizations depends on agriculture", to quote the NGE article, but mind you, I do not necessarily say that civilizations are a good thing here - that's a completely different issue...

                        And, it's not a "narrow-minded definition of civilization" that I have pulled out of my butt either, the term "civilization" have a specific meaning even if there can be some disagrement how to exactly define it - but there are no disagrement to my knowlegde that hunter-gatherer societies, Inuits etc., fall outside the concept of 'civilization'. But good to see that you at least have some honesty to admit that you were wrong though...
                        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                        - Schopenhauer

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                        • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                          Yes, I am truly saying that - all human civilizations are rooted and founded by agriculture - that was my statement that you called "blatantly false" when you first responded to my original posting. So like it or not; "Civilizations depends on agriculture", to quote the NGE article, but mind you, I do not necessarily say that civilizations are a good thing here - that's a completely different issue...

                          And, it's not a "narrow-minded definition of civilization" that I have pulled out of my butt either, the term "civilization" have a specific meaning even if there can be some disagrement how to exactly define it - but there are no disagrement to my knowlegde that hunter-gatherer societies, Inuits etc., fall outside the concept of 'civilization'. But good to see that you at least have some honesty to admit that you were wrong though...
                          not sure how you gleaned that from what I wrote. i'm still calling you out on being wrong dude. the end of my post was sarcasm. clearly lost somewhere in translation. allow me to clarify. the populations I mentioned DO have (1) large population centers; (2) monumental architecture and unique art styles; (3) written language; (4) systems for administering territories; (5) a complex division of labor; and (6) the division of people into social classes.

                          so based upon the link you provided earlier, they would be defined as civilizations

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                          • This is how I would define civilization. note, the complete and utter lack of agricultural requirement.

                            Merriam Webster definition:
                            Definition of CIVILIZATION


                            1a : a relatively high level of cultural and technological development; specifically : the stage of cultural development at which writing and the keeping of written records is attained

                            b : the culture characteristic of a particular time or place

                            2: the process of becoming civilized

                            3a : refinement of thought, manners, or taste

                            b : a situation of urban comfort

                            Dictionary.com definition:

                            civˇiˇliˇzaˇtion

                            noun
                            1. an advanced state of human society, in which a high level of culture, science, industry, and government has been reached.

                            2.those people or nations that have reached such a state.

                            3. any type of culture, society, etc., of a specific place, time, or group: Greek civilization.

                            4. the act or process of civilizing or being civilized: Rome's civilization of barbaric tribes was admirable.

                            5. cultural refinement; refinement of thought and cultural appreciation: The letters of Madame de Sévigné reveal her wit and civilization.

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                            • Alright, not on the rug, continue with your trolling and intellectual dishonesty without me hereafter, because you have now earned yourself a very deserved place on my ignore list…
                              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                              - Schopenhauer

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                              • Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                                Alright, not on the rug, continue with your trolling and intellectual dishonesty without me hereafter, because you have now earned yourself a very deserved place on my ignore list…
                                What a surprise. Gorbag starts a semantics argument, gets butthurt, adds to his already well-populated ignore list.
                                The Champagne of Beards

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