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  • Originally posted by Paleobird View Post
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    But only weight training would have made it possible for Brian Jones to shed his hardware and become a strong man again. It was the spinal loading and the CNS effects of lifting that caused his bones to harden and reject the hardware the surgeons told him he'd have in his legs for the rest of his life. No other physical activities would have had these effects.

    I'm not saying everyone has to lift weights. (although I think most people would benefit from doing so), I'm saying we need to stop glorifying weakness. I don't know you personally, but from what I've seen in these forums, you're not a person who promotes weakness in any sense of the word.

    And that's what this thread is about. Men don't lift weights today because they are actively pursuing weakness, androgyny, hipsterism, and skinny jeans. As so many have made clear in this thread, if you have any muscle on your body, it's assumed you're uncouth, unintelligent, and uncivilized. Well, in case I haven't made it clear, I'm against that. We can all strive to do better things for ourselves mentally, emotionally, and physically. And that includes keeping our minds occupied and challenged, eating appropriate foods, getting appropriate sun and sleep, and performing appropriate load-bearing exercise to strengthen our muscles, bones, connective tissue, AND brains.
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    • Why don't we all just.... abandon thread

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      • My man isn't lifting because he wants hipster skinny jeans. He's an old man, gray hair, gray beard, not a hipster at all. I don't know why he doesn't lift. I think it would help him feel better and help his back. And when I say lift, I don't mean he needs to build huge muscles to please me or that he needs to deadlift 500lbs to be a real man. Even if he lifted more modest amounts I think it would make him feel better and help him out with all his activities, like it has for me. I'm not going for body building competitions, although I like the bigger muscles I've developed, and I have no illusions I'll ever deadlift even 300lbs, but what I can do has made a big difference. It really does help.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • "Men don't lift weights today because they are actively pursuing weakness, androgyny, hipsterism, and skinny jeans. As so many have made clear in this thread, if you have any muscle on your body, it's assumed you're uncouth, unintelligent, and uncivilized. "

          I don't think that is 100% true. I think what has happened is more a general "it's OK to not be fit". Mostly people have become couch potatoes and it's a bunch of either skinny fat or fat people. I think people are OK with working out, it's that people are no longer motivated to be fit as you can be.

          More than anything we are a nation of excuse makers. It's amazing to hear the reasons people can't work out. I know there are some legitimate reasons. I'd be afraid to squat if I had back surgery too. But hey, doesn't stop your from doing pull ups. I don't know, I just see all my peers and they are aging so very quickly and settling into such unhealthy lives.

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          • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
            "Men don't lift weights today because they are actively pursuing weakness, androgyny, hipsterism, and skinny jeans. As so many have made clear in this thread, if you have any muscle on your body, it's assumed you're uncouth, unintelligent, and uncivilized."

            I don't think that is 100% true. I think what has happened is more a general "it's OK to not be fit". Mostly people have become couch potatoes and it's a bunch of either skinny fat or fat people. I think people are OK with working out, it's that people are no longer motivated to be fit as you can be.
            Maybe it makes sense to distinguish between men who actively pursue frailty and weakness (e.g. Derpamix) and those who are too lazy/ignorant of the benefits/afraid to weight train (e.g. Mr. Sbhikes). To me, it's making the same choice, and it's not one that I will ever be in favor of. I don't agree with the choice to forego the benefits of lifting heavy things. If it's truly not a choice, you're off the hook, but 99% of people who claim they can't lift would actually benefit from doing so. Dear previously injured people: Weight training will make you less likely to turn into a bag of dust, not more.

            Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
            More than anything we are a nation of excuse makers. It's amazing to hear the reasons people can't work out. I know there are some legitimate reasons. I'd be afraid to squat if I had back surgery too. But hey, doesn't stop your from doing pull ups. I don't know, I just see all my peers and they are aging so very quickly and settling into such unhealthy lives.
            Correctly performed squats and deadlifts are actually therapeutic for people with back problems. So ignorance keeps a lot of people out of the weight room. But you're right about the excuses. It's truly pathetic.
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            • Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
              I'm by no means a big guy, but my shoulders and lats are much wider than my waist. Clothes have to be "athletic fit" to even be in the ballpark, and all my nice stuff gets tailored. I HATE how most shirts have the same amount of material around the middle as a 4-person tent.

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              • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                Really? You know the answer to this. Where did "our" civilization begin? Pick up your high school history book. It's under "Chapter 1"
                Huh? Thats not even what I implied. I said that our ancestors clearly thought agriculrure was useful. And he said Christopher Columbus forced it uponthem or some sh!&
                My reply was then who forced it on columbus? My point still stands.

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                • Originally posted by Lockstock View Post
                  Huh? Thats not even what I implied. I said that our ancestors clearly thought agriculrure was useful. And he said Christopher Columbus forced it uponthem or some sh!&
                  My reply was then who forced it on columbus? My point still stands.
                  Your point never stood. Columbus himself was born into it, but the people living in Columbus's part of the world didn't take up our brand of agriculture by choice, they took it up by force. One group in the fertile crescent took it up by choice (the choice of whoever had control of the food, anyway) and appointed themselves the world's cultural missionaries. The actions of the post-columbian visitors to the Americas were just another chapter in the story that started between the Tigirs and the Euphrates, in chapter 1 of your high school history text book.
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                  • The story of agriculture is sort of right there in the book of Genesis, too. The Garden of Eden sounded a lot better than the agrarian life of toil and pain they were banished into. Funny how our Western history has a subtext of always knowing our way of life isn't the best way of life and yet we fight, kill and die for it.
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                    • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                      The story of agriculture is sort of right there in the book of Genesis, too. The Garden of Eden sounded a lot better than the agrarian life of toil and pain they were banished into. Funny how our Western history has a subtext of always knowing our way of life isn't the best way of life and yet we fight, kill and die for it.
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                      • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
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                        • Originally posted by 70in2012 View Post
                          If Brian Jones can get under the bar, the guy walking on the treadmill can sure do. Probably will get far more benefit.
                          You have no idea what limitations someone has. Just because one person can overcome an injury and get under the bar does NOT mean everyone can. Global assumptions like yours are not only beyond annoying, they show a lack of awareness for individual differences and abilities.

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                          • Originally posted by marcadav View Post
                            You have no idea what limitations someone has. Just because one person can overcome an injury and get under the bar does NOT mean everyone can. Global assumptions like yours are not only beyond annoying, they show a lack of awareness for individual differences and abilities.
                            Your post shows a lack of reading comprehension and common sense. It's not hard to realize that when others say "everyone should strength train", it means everyone capable of doing so. It's painfully obvious, or at least should be, that someone, for example, paralyzed from the waist down should probably not do barbell squats.

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                            • Originally posted by marcadav View Post
                              You have no idea what limitations someone has. Just because one person can overcome an injury and get under the bar does NOT mean everyone can. Global assumptions like yours are not only beyond annoying, they show a lack of awareness for individual differences and abilities.
                              In individual cases, that is no doubt true. In the aggregate, there are many more people, both female and male, who are not exercising for poorly-thought-out reasons than those who are doing the best they can with the situation they are stuck with.

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                              • Columbus did not force agriculture on anyone - agriculture was well established in the America's before Columbus arrived.

                                Think Corn, Potatoes, Quinoa, Amaranth, Tomatoes, Chocolat etc etc - all gifts to the old world from the 'New World"

                                The Irish didn't eat potatoes and the Italians didn't eat Tomatoes until they were brought back from the new world. So some agricultural and food traditions in Europe are not that old.

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