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  • Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
    America is becoming a nation of sparkling-vampire, everyone gets a medal, skinny jeans-wearing, emo music-listening, whale-saving, Prius-driving, Axe-wearing sissies. Guys would rather talk about their feelings with the girls they're too chicken to ask out and play video games than get under weights that could crush them or learn to throw a proper punch.
    Yes, save they even want to save the land whales and make it acceptable stay the size of a hamplanet.


    Excuse me for any typos and sarcastic remarks, sent from my iPhone using Marks Daily Apple Forum mobile app

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    • Originally posted by quikky View Post
      So if society as a whole embraced strength training, it would not become healthier because some people would injure themselves? Should people maybe stop getting out of their house too, you know, because some bozo will fall down the stairs or get hit by a bus? Anything done improperly, or by an idiot, has the potential for negative effects.

      Also, strength training is awesome for stress. In fact, almost any exercise is awesome for stress. I don't know anyone who feels worse after exercising when they're stressed out. I don't know what you're talking about here.
      Did I say that? No. You made an assertion that everyone would be healthier if they lifted. I said that's not the case. Lifting weights isn't for everyone, and it doesn't suit some people. Not just the bozos: even people who find it boring shouldn't force themselves to do it. There's an appropriate form of physical activity for everyone: it doesn't have to be lifting.

      A lot of people people don't respond well to strenuous exercise. If you're metabolically unhealthy, depressed, in a highly stressed state, a simple activity like walking is far better for you.
      No one is arguing that strength is the only thing important in life. That said, strength is important, and almost everyone could benefit from having more of it, especially modern men.
      Well, I completely agree with this statement, but that's not really how it's been put in the rest of the thread...

      Originally posted by zoebird View Post
      i would say this:

      if more people, regardless of sex/gender, were lifting (body weight or weights or odd objects) correctly, then we would be a healthier lot.
      I think you could also say:

      if more people, regardless of sex/gender, were:

      doing jobs they loved
      engaging in physical activity they enjoyed
      eating real food
      building fulfilling relationships
      playing

      then we would be a healthier lot.


      Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
      Guys also carried swords then...
      Yeah, I find every man who carries a firearm SO manly!


      I get the impression that the men arguing the loudest for lifting have probably been labelled as "vain" once too often by people who consider the gym a redundant pastime.
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • agreed. ;D

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        • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
          You forgot one thing.... muscles, whether made by genetic luck, hard work with barbells, body weight exercises.... or whatever, are generally attractive to most women. I do believe that more than a few men here in their 50's have posted the results of attention to strength and diet. When I see them, I'm like, dang their wives and girlfriends must really enjoy having them around when the mood strikes. And hopefully their wives and girlfriends also throw some weight around.

          In the end, I have plenty of nice friends that don't work out, and don't eat right. Many in their late 20's. You can already see signs of aging and illness, even in the thin ones. For the mid 30's assortment that don't work out, the bodies are rapidly losing shape and they are seeking medical care for things like diabetes. The one's in their 40's.... By contrast I hit the gym and see healthy, strong men and women doing reps. They all look GREAT and more than one has floored me with their age. One woman in her 50's damn near made me pass out when she told me her age. She looks amazing. Her energy is just huge.

          I really think that strength training is a big key to staying youthful and fit. It might not be in "fashion" but really, I know I want to live the second half of my life really fully with a partner that can do the same. I don't want to be tied to insulin or an easy walk in the park or afraid moving a chair is going to have me at the doctor. I don't want a spouse who needs a week to recover from a golf outing.

          I fully understand that some people have barriers to fitness, but you know what, most are self imposed.
          Nah, I agree with you in that muscles generally do look good on anyone, girl or guy, and being physically capable. But, I think as long as your keeping yourself healthy and fit, your on the right track. I don't think it's fair to impose what a guy or girl 'should' be when we are all so different. There are honestly girls out there I know who are into these really, really, I mean REALLY ripped skinny guys. Then there's my GF who "loves me for my inner beauty" but certainly doesn't mind the muscle I have

          Everyone's different, but everyone should be healthy and capable.

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          • Anyone notice that clothes aren't made for people with good bodies?

            I don't consider myself big yet or anything, but I even notice that shirts, for example, often cause my shoulders to haunch forward, and that some pants are NOT made at all to accommodate developed thighs and glutes.

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            • Originally posted by Lockstock View Post
              Anyone notice that clothes aren't made for people with good bodies?

              I don't consider myself big yet or anything, but I even notice that shirts, for example, often cause my shoulders to haunch forward, and that some pants are NOT made at all to accommodate developed thighs and glutes.
              Yup - clothes are made for human coat hangers!
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                Yup - clothes are made for human coat hangers!
                There are basically two types of people I see now days, really really skinny emo looking, boyband following, douche bag kids/teens/adults.

                And fat people.

                And clothes are made specifically for them...

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                • Originally posted by Lockstock View Post
                  There are basically two types of people I see now days, really really skinny emo looking, boyband following, douche bag kids/teens/adults.

                  And fat people.

                  And clothes are made specifically for them...
                  Don't forget models!

                  "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                  In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                  - Ray Peat

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                  • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    Yup - clothes are made for human coat hangers!
                    I'm by no means a big guy, but my shoulders and lats are much wider than my waist. Clothes have to be "athletic fit" to even be in the ballpark, and all my nice stuff gets tailored. I HATE how most shirts have the same amount of material around the middle as a 4-person tent.

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                    • I find it amusing that some people in this thread think that being muscular as opposed to lean increases your chances for survival in the absence of modern amenities. The fact of the matter is, if you put hunter-gatherers in western clothing they would look like what the uninformed on this thread label as whimpy hipsters. Muscle burns more calories so in a survival based environment it is far more advantageous to be lean.
                      Here are some examples of modern hunter/gatherers:
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                      http://jeremylent.files.wordpress.co...ng-bushmen.jpg
                      http://assets.survivalinternational....l-2_screen.jpg
                      awa-fw-c-survival-2_screen.jpg
                      Skinny with little musculature yet they are built for survival in harsh environments where they have to hunt/gather their food EVERY day. And you better believe I'd take my chances with those 'sissy-looking, skinny whimps' over any of you out in the wilderness any day. If any of you who are so proud of your six-pack abs were to be placed in an actual Paleo environment where you had to hunt/gather every day then you would lean out to look like those 'hipsters' you so despise because that is what is best suited for survival. This proves the point that even in a 'paleo' environment knowledge/intelligence are more necessary for survival than big calorie burning muscles. Lucky for you, you don't live in those environments so you have the luxury to make fun of those guys for not looking as manly as you while they are living the life you humorously think you're built to survive in.
                      Last edited by Geeknik; 06-02-2013, 05:48 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
                        I'm by no means a big guy, but my shoulders and lats are much wider than my waist. Clothes have to be "athletic fit" to even be in the ballpark, and all my nice stuff gets tailored. I HATE how most shirts have the same amount of material around the middle as a 4-person tent.
                        I agree - oddly, sports clothes seem to be some of the most flattering! There should be a fashion line for "in shape people".

                        I have the opposite problem - small waist, small shoulders and curvy hips, so tops are either skin tight or baggy. No comfortable in between.

                        I don't think it's as much of a problem for shorter, petite women, but if you're over 5'6 (I'm 5'8) clothes manufacturers expect that you're either a beanpole or a Viking
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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                        • Originally posted by Geeknik View Post
                          I find it amusing that some people in this thread think that being muscular as opposed to lean increases your chances for survival in the absence of modern amenities. The fact of the matter is, if you put hunter-gatherers in western clothing they would look like what the uninformed on this thread label as whimpy hipsters. Muscle burns more calories so in a survival based environment it is far more advantageous to be lean.
                          Here are some examples of modern hunter/gatherers:
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                          http://jeremylent.files.wordpress.co...ng-bushmen.jpg
                          http://assets.survivalinternational....l-2_screen.jpg
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                          Skinny with little musculature yet they are built for survival in harsh environments where they have to hunt/gather their food EVERY day. And you better believe I'd take my chances with those 'sissy-looking, skinny whimps' over any of you out in the wilderness any day. If any of you who are so proud of your six-pack abs were to be placed in an actual Paleo environment where you had to hunt/gather every day then you would lean out to look like those 'hipsters' you so despise because that is what is best suited for survival. This proves the point that even in a 'paleo' environment knowledge/intelligence are more necessary for survival than big calorie burning muscles. Lucky for you, you don't live in those environments so you have the luxury to make fun of those guys for not looking as manly as you while they are living the life you humorously think you're built to survive in.
                          How Many Calories Does Muscle Really Burn? (and Why It’s Not About Calories Anyway) | Mark's Daily Apple

                          u mad?

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                          • Originally posted by Geeknik View Post
                            I find it amusing that some people in this thread think that being muscular as opposed to lean increases your chances for survival in the absence of modern amenities. The fact of the matter is, if you put hunter-gatherers in western clothing they would look like what the uninformed on this thread label as whimpy hipsters. Muscle burns more calories so in a survival based environment it is far more advantageous to be lean.
                            Here are some examples of modern hunter/gatherers:
                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]11924[/ATTACH]
                            http://jeremylent.files.wordpress.co...ng-bushmen.jpg
                            http://assets.survivalinternational....l-2_screen.jpg
                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]11925[/ATTACH]
                            Skinny with little musculature yet they are built for survival in harsh environments where they have to hunt/gather their food EVERY day. And you better believe I'd take my chances with those 'sissy-looking, skinny whimps' over any of you out in the wilderness any day. If any of you who are so proud of your six-pack abs were to be placed in an actual Paleo environment where you had to hunt/gather every day then you would lean out to look like those 'hipsters' you so despise because that is what is best suited for survival. This proves the point that even in a 'paleo' environment knowledge/intelligence are more necessary for survival than big calorie burning muscles. Lucky for you, you don't live in those environments so you have the luxury to make fun of those guys for not looking as manly as you while they are living the life you humorously think you're built to survive in.
                            The difference is that the hunter gatherers can likely move some serious weight around under a bar, climb obstacles and run awy from danger aswell as having the toughness to stand and fight (other tribes etc).

                            The skinny hipster douchebags arent skinny because they need to be to survive. But because of..... "read entire thread"

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                            • Originally posted by Lockstock View Post
                              Anyone notice that clothes aren't made for people with good bodies?

                              I don't consider myself big yet or anything, but I even notice that shirts, for example, often cause my shoulders to haunch forward, and that some pants are NOT made at all to accommodate developed thighs and glutes.
                              After I started lifting, I noticed that pants became tighter around my thighs and that shirts became tighter around my shoulders. Progress!
                              In matters of style, swim with the current. In matters of principle, stand like a rock.

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                              • Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                                Did I say that? No. You made an assertion that everyone would be healthier if they lifted. I said that's not the case. Lifting weights isn't for everyone, and it doesn't suit some people. Not just the bozos: even people who find it boring shouldn't force themselves to do it. There's an appropriate form of physical activity for everyone: it doesn't have to be lifting.

                                A lot of people people don't respond well to strenuous exercise. If you're metabolically unhealthy, depressed, in a highly stressed state, a simple activity like walking is far better for you.
                                I'm not arguing that strength training is enjoyable for everyone, I'm arguing it's effective and healthy for everyone. By the way, I find it obvious that "everyone" does not literally mean every person in existence, but everyone physically capable of strength training.

                                And once again, I have no idea why you're saying it's bad for stress, and even depression - it's the opposite. Whether walking is better, I don't honestly know. Do you have sources that demonstrate walking is better for stress/depression than strength training?

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