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  • #31
    I think he is.
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

    Griff's cholesterol primer
    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
    bloodorchid is always right

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    • #32
      eKat, what I mean is, you made it sound like I can just starve away my belly fat, so, when I asked you to confirm that, you said something entirely different.
      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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      • #33
        I'm finding that building up muscle mass increases your metabolism significantly. As long as you are not eating too many carbs you should be able to lose fat without a lot of cardio. Most of the people I know just eat more when they do more cardio. I think those are the people you see doing chronic cardio and staying thin. It is a vicious cycle.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
          It is a lot of cardio but I am probably like 30 pounds overweight still, at 220-5 now, from 270 maybe a year ago. The trainers told me a heart-rate range that is counter-productive, and I just avoid getting that high. If it goes over 150 I just slow my pace til I am back in range.

          I am at maybe 22% body-fat now and wanna get to 14 in the nearish future.
          The Fat Burning Zone Myth: Don't Be Fooled

          read the entire article carefully (it's not long).

          The fat burning zone is a pervasive myth. It keeps you dieting, and doing mindless, non-stimulatory cardio for hours on end.

          You can burn far more fat in shorter time with HITT style workouts. There are many options that would allow you to work around your ligament issues.

          Also, dump the raisins. So much sugar.

          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
          Look it up on youtube. It's a workout where you go full-out for a fixed number of seconds, then take a fixed number of seconds to recover.

          Never forget that the trainer is working for the club. He is not trying to train you to be a self-directed athlete. He is there to make you dependent on the club so you'll keep renewing your membership, and dependent on him, so maybe you'll start paying him to do sessions. They want clients who quietly come in for a while and go home, not who are so dedicated they monopolize some of the expensive and scarcer equipment and want more floor space.

          If you were to reach your goals, so you could just go out and train on your own, he would have failed.
          ^^too true

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Mr.Perfidy View Post
            eKat, what I mean is, you made it sound like I can just starve away my belly fat, so, when I asked you to confirm that, you said something entirely different.
            Go back and re-read her posts. First she told you about a basic theory of how to lose weight and how SHE incorporates that theory into HER life. Second she gave you a thumbnail sketch of how to simplify YOUR life and routine while still losing weight. What works for her may not be the best lifestyle option for you. Everyone is different.

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            • #36
              Good article, thank you.
              "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

              Jack london, "Before Adam"

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              • #37
                So the treadmill is easy enough to do this HIIT stuff on it looks like. I can become a treadmill guy at the gym- it actually gives me a chance to see out the windows at the gas station and mcdonalds across the street. As soon as I saw the cardio floor I thought, "Wow you can totally case those places effectively by just working out here. Ima rob mcdonalds!" But then I was afraid of the tread mill. This was like 6 months ago though, my wind is way better now.
                "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                • #38
                  No problem =] You can definitely do this on a treadmill!

                  Keep this updated with your progress, I'm curious to see how you get on. Don't forget to keep lifting~

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                  • #39
                    haha Lifting is the easy part. It's the only thing that doesn't make me bored and shit.
                    "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                    Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                    • #40
                      Updates- dropped the 2nd-stage cardio from the workout, and started on either the stair-climber, or back to my old elliptical strategy, where I run for 4 minutes, sprint for 1, run 4, sprint 1, for 40 minutes. My heart rate goes as high as 175 for maybe 20 seconds in the sprinting phases (at the higher difficulties anyway- I go up 2 resistance levels every 5 minutes), but mostly holds around 130 in jog time and 150ish sprinting.

                      Lost about 5 real pounds since last checking in.

                      other note- got some creatine and that shit is the boooooomb. I never used it before but am sold now.
                      "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                      Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                      • #41
                        glad to hear that the change seems to be working.

                        as for the creatine, what did you get? don't buy in to the hype of advertising. plain and simple creatine monohydrate is all you need. no need to load up on it either. maintenance dose is all it takes. be sure to keep hydrated. especially with the amount of cardio you do

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                        • #42
                          AKG? It says on the bottle, but that's all the way in the kitchen, and I resolved not to get up until this song is over.

                          I didn't really buy it- I get these vitacost boxes of clearance and sample shit with my order, and it was in there, a whole bottle, maybe 30 doses.

                          Its amazing though- I always think that any hype is bullshit hype, so I always avoid popular shit and always doubt everything, but, it's legitimately devastating for my workout. I do maybe 20-30% more weight when I take it before lifting.
                          "Ah, those endless forests, and their horror-haunted gloom! For what eternities have I wandered through them, a timid, hunted creature, starting at the least sound, frightened of my own shadow, keyed-up, ever alert and vigilant, ready on the instant to dash away in mad flight for my life. For I was the prey of all manner of fierce life that dwelt in the forest, and it was in ecstasies of fear that I fled before the hunting monsters."

                          Jack london, "Before Adam"

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                          • #43
                            like others, a couple of things stick out with your workout....many ways to skin the workout cat though.

                            the cardio, oh the cardio.... and the body splits, I've seen a few clients just get plain bored and burned out with that kind of work, and unless your a lycra pouch posing bodybuilder......!!!....(My take has always been that the body moves as a unit so its good to train it as such, although I have a huge respect for the dedication, discipline and knowledge the the bodybuilding community has)

                            I'm a huge fan of training with heart rate monitors and there's one or two ways you can keep the heart rate in your required zones and minimize your gym time and at the same time keep your workouts fresh.

                            First things first, heart rate, (I'll skip over this briefly), your heart doesn't know if you're running or not, it just knows its having to work to get more oxygen and nutrients to the working muscle.

                            So that said, we can now see there are loads of ways we work our heart rate without cardiokill.....well ...

                            for example, just last night, I did single arm sets of 10 left /10 right kettlebell swings, my heart rate maxed out at 165 towards the end of the session, when it got back to 132 (I wanted to stay above 132, I started all over again. Good compound full body strength exercise, . Did 18 sets of that about 20mins in total then out of there.

                            How about complexes, one barbell, tough as hell, but again heart rate and fullbody taking a load all in one go..l noted you've got ligament damage, so until that heals, try complexes that just use upperbody movements, (assuming your stable to carry a load with both feet on ground, which I assume you will be if you can use elliptical and do other work)

                            Just a suggestion for you to investigate, like I say many ways to skin the workout cat...

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              I'm not sure what "eating pretty well to lose weight" means. Does it mean that you are tracking your calories every day? Or are you adjusting for each minute of cardio you do, and adding in calories to compensate? Or are you just eating what feels like ought to be the right amount of food?

                              If you're losing weight through manipulation of your diet, then why do you need so many hours of cardio? People lose weight through diet with zero hours of cardio.

                              The fact is that doing lots of cardio will train your body to become more efficient at doing lots of cardio. The more cardio you do, the fewer calories you end up burning per unit.

                              Your appetite is self-regulating. When you get more exercise, your body responds by making you hungrier in proportion to the extra calories you have burned.

                              Real studies show that simply adding cardio has next to no effect on a person's weight or fat.
                              Yep to this-I lost 4olbs with IF and SAD, and the only exercise I did was walking to the mail box. I did this on purpose, after reading so much about how exercise does not equal weight loss and in fact can cause it to stall. Taubes and a few others recommend walking for a good all over exercise.
                              *Sara*

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