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  • #16
    ^ That may take some time, added 10lbs lean meat year-to-day. My goal was 15lbs by year end, so looking good.

    I guess I rip on the field of nutrition a lot, because honestly it's just so underdeveloped. In investment management we have thick texts on derivatives where smart people have worked out every single formula imaginable. In nutrition people are just "meh, calories in calories out basically". It's lazy. And worse yet, most of the nutrition field seems like politics, marketing and voodoo. What a mess.

    We need guys like Peter Attia and his new company to work out these equations...it shouldn't be that hard.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
      ^ That may take some time, added 10lbs lean meat year-to-day. My goal was 15lbs by year end, so looking good.

      I guess I rip on the field of nutrition a lot, because honestly it's just so underdeveloped. In investment management we have thick texts on derivatives where smart people have worked out every single formula imaginable. In nutrition people are just "meh, calories in calories out basically". It's lazy. And worse yet, most of the nutrition field seems like politics, marketing and voodoo. What a mess.

      We need guys like Peter Attia and his new company to work out these equations...it shouldn't be that hard.
      Well investment management is a man made entity with fairly finite variables. The human body on the other hand is an exceedingly complex system that we have barely scratched the surface of. Sure we learn more about it each passing day, but for the most part all we learn opens the doors to more questions. Part of the reason biology is still a "soft science", its primarily theoretical due to our inability to reduce its systems to a mathematical equation. I do like Peter Attia's stuff though...

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      • #18
        Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
        ^ That may take some time, added 10lbs lean meat year-to-day. My goal was 15lbs by year end, so looking good.

        I guess I rip on the field of nutrition a lot, because honestly it's just so underdeveloped. In investment management we have thick texts on derivatives where smart people have worked out every single formula imaginable. In nutrition people are just "meh, calories in calories out basically". It's lazy. And worse yet, most of the nutrition field seems like politics, marketing and voodoo. What a mess.

        We need guys like Peter Attia and his new company to work out these equations...it shouldn't be that hard.
        I can't disagree with any of that.
        The Champagne of Beards

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
          It takes a lot, but I don't know if anyone has even bothered to guess at a number. A pound of muscle is only 600-something calories, but the process of synthesizing it is apparently quite an energy-intensive event. Sounds like you're having great success with your 21,600 kCal surplus and your training. Keep it up and keep counting those calories and let us know what the number is after you've put on 20 or 30 lbs of lean meat.
          I think that how much work a person must do to stimulate their body to grow muscle is somewhere between mostly and entirely genetic.

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          • #20
            Some more observations...

            Switching to 8x8 sets at 60% of my heavy lifting amount, with only 30sec rest between sets. Same 45 min set but much lighter weights and much less resting.

            Absolutely eat a lot less. These sets are hard, almost cardio, but I only eat about +800 calories compared to +1800 doing max lifts. Need about a month doing these 8x8s to really get a grip on it. I adjust the additional calories every day until I find the "weight neutral" spot.

            Guess --> perhaps true HEAVY lifting burns something way beyond just a hard sweaty workout? So take the extreme, one of these power lifters, he only lifts 1000lbs pounds once, but then needs to go eat a trillion calories for that 10 second lift? Or perhaps at the other extreme, dicking around in the gym doing curls and such while chatting would probably do almost nothing.

            No idea, just find it interesting.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
              Well investment management is a man made entity with fairly finite variables. The human body on the other hand is an exceedingly complex system that we have barely scratched the surface of.
              Understood, although I'm not going to get into my own theories that markets follow the laws of nature too...most people don't agree with me, and I would bore you guys to tears.

              But last night I was watching stuff on Einstein, physics and such. Dudes mapped out equations for planet orbits, incredibly complex nature-based stuff. Impressive human accomplishments. Yet the most advanced equation they have for human body mass changes is CICO.

              Maybe the best minds just don't gravitate to nutrition, but given the USA's and world's issues it seems like they ought to start.

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              • #22
                Yeah, I'm not saying we should stop trying....But in the end we may very well end up with some sort of quantum physics theorem rather than a standard Newtonian equation if we want to be accurate. I don't know. I'll leave it to the physics dudes.

                Oh, and I'm in no way saying that market theories are easy. Heck I'm sure that it's a beast that continues to evolve and be redefined as circumstances change. I know I'm not versed in it and some very smart people devote their entire lives to it.

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                • #23
                  I've never tracked what it takes calorie-wise to be weight stable like you have. There's a 2-3 week lag time between anything I do and the results I get, which makes it difficult for someone who just is not that detail-oriented. But I can see general trends. I have found that over the years, steady cardio at first was helpful in losing weight but now it really doesn't do anything positive for my weight at all. Lifting weights not only makes me super hungry, I can indulge that hunger and end up with a slimmer figure.

                  Lifting weighs also jacks up my heart rate more like sprinting does. I've become so efficient at steady cardio that I can almost do it on a warm day without hardly breaking a sweat. I'm probably the only person on Earth to start to gain weight while hiking the Pacific Crest Trail. Somewhere around mile 2000, hiking 25-30 miles per day, I actually had to start watching what I ate.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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