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  • #46
    yep that sounds like a good plan.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by OldSchhool View Post
      I've had a quick look at the Convict program and although anything such as that will work to a degree for so long I don't think it is anywhere near optimal for the best results.

      Drew Baye will probably disagree with me here as he promotes a bodyweight workout. In my opinion where routines such as this fall down is in their inability to effectively provide progressive resistance. Most rely on varying the angle with which you do the exercises or by making them less stable. For optimal results you want to work a muscle in it's strongest, most direct plane of motion and provide progressive resistance within that plane.

      Lets say you are doing push ups and wish to make them harder, most free weight routines have you doing one of two things.

      A) Raising the legs-ultimately ending up in a handstand push up.
      B) Doing them in a way that puts more emphasis on one arm- Ultimately ending up in a one arm push up.

      The slight decline position is the optimal angle for working the chest so technique A is the total opposite of what you really want to be doing, the higher you raise your legs the less resistance is on the chest and more transferred to the shoulders and triceps.
      Just because you are putting a muscle into a weaker position doesn't make the exercise a better progression, if this was the case then the tricep kick back would be one of the top tricep builders !

      The most efficient way to overload the muscles and cause an adaptive response is by using good old weights !
      fully agreed, but it all depends on your goals. if your goal is maximum strength then yes bodyweight will not get you there easily. if your goal is more athletic in nature (not saying lifting is not athletic) then bodyweight training might just be optimal to get you there with its compromise between strength, endurance and balance

      so, know what you want to achieve, then chose the right tool to get there (as with everything in life)

      btw, all the people insisting that bodyweight training is not making you strong I'd like to see them do strict one arm pullups (one would be enough), or some one arm puhups or pistol squats for a couple of reps. then we can talk :-)

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      • #48
        I've been following and trying to incorporate some of the bodyweight workouts at BarStarzz.
        OfficialBarstarzz - YouTube

        My favorite right now (do these one right after the other) is:
        5 Diamond pushups
        5 Regular pushups
        5 Wide pushups
        5 Side to Side pushups (with wide stance)

        First time I tried it I couldn't do ONE side to side but just last night I did 5. Took about 10 days to get there.
        52 year old Male
        Goal: 185lbs
        April 10th: 220lbs

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        • #49
          OldSchool,

          The problem with bodyweight exercises is not the ability to progress resistance but the increments - I developed an effective method of doing this without resorting to typical exercise progressions. I discussed this recently in my interview with Fred Fornicola on his site:

          Project:Kratos – Talking Bodyweight Training with Drew Baye | Fred Fornicola

          For others asking, I don't have much good to say about most other bodyweight programs. They tend to suffer from the same kind of thinking most weight training programs suffer from. Everything I do recommend for bodyweight training is covered in Project: Kratos, which expands on the principles discussed in the video I posted and includes the progression method I mentioned.
          Drew Baye
          High Intensity Training

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Drew Baye View Post
            OldSchool,

            The problem with bodyweight exercises is not the ability to progress resistance but the increments - I developed an effective method of doing this without resorting to typical exercise progressions. I discussed this recently in my interview with Fred Fornicola on his site:

            Project:Kratos – Talking Bodyweight Training with Drew Baye | Fred Fornicola

            For others asking, I don't have much good to say about most other bodyweight programs. They tend to suffer from the same kind of thinking most weight training programs suffer from. Everything I do recommend for bodyweight training is covered in Project: Kratos, which expands on the principles discussed in the video I posted and includes the progression method I mentioned.
            Just had a quick look and it does appear that you had taken into account the issue that I mentioned, I'm sure that as bodyweight workouts go yours is one of the most well thought out and effective.

            Drew: The resistance your muscles work against during an exercise is mainly a product of weight and lever. If you can’t change the weight you have to change the lever if you want to increase or decrease the resistance. You can’t change the position of the body during an exercise too much to do this, or you end up doing a different exercise altogether, but you can change the portion of the range of motion you use, either emphasizing the portion where the average lever is larger or shorter to increase or decrease the resistance. In addition to adjusting the range of motion you can increase or decrease the average resistance you encounter over time by changing the time spent at or near the positions of maximum or minimum lever.

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            • #51
              What is everyone's thoughts on the You Are Your Own Gym (YAYOG) workouts by Mark Lauren?

              He provides 4 levels of training programmes, each 10 weeks long, using loads of different bodyweight exercises (most of which can be varied for difficulty). I have just finished week 2 of the basic programme and really do feel like I am making progress already!

              Based around military training, so it seems like it definitely has the potential to work well... Afterall, they probably don't carry gym equipment or barbells around warzones!

              Be interested to hear other people's opinions though

              Peter

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              • #52
                Originally posted by OldSchhool View Post
                Just had a quick look and it does appear that you had taken into account the issue that I mentioned, I'm sure that as bodyweight workouts go yours (Project:Kratos) is one of the most well thought out and effective.
                I own pretty much all of the major bodyweight training books that have come out over the last few years such as You are your own gym, Body by You, Overcoming Gravity, Pushing the Limits, Raising the Bar, Bodyweight Strength Training, and Convict Conditioning.

                I would say that the Project: Kratos Bodyweight High Intensity Training book is definitely the most well thought out and effective of the bunch and would be my recommendation as the single best bodyweight training book around.

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                • #53
                  I'm with OldSchhool here. Unless you simply enjoy bodyweight training, there's nothing that you can do with bodyweight training that you can't do better with weights.

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