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  • Bodyweight vs Barbells + home workout questions

    Ok, so I'm 18 and in decent shape (I bet you've heard this all before)

    Anyhows, Stonglifts sounds interesting and it's something id do but right now between being jobless, and heading to uni soon a Gym isn't as easy. Especially because the one I can go to is more of a treadmill party.

    So, BODYWEIGHT!
    My question is, in terms of bodyweight stuff, what are the benefits compared to barbells, obviously, barbells make you stronger and bigger but is there decent crossover with bodyweight to barbell, especially once you get a bit more advanced?
    Any help would be much appreciated fellas.

    Right now, Im doing squats, pushups, pull-ups, bodyweight rows and shoulder press pushups, progressing to hopefully a handstand.

    My shoulders are a bit crap atm, mostly due to to much pushing and not enough pulling which im correcting with scapula stuff and bodyweight rows and pullups.

    With the shoulder press pushup, during the whole movement am I supposed to squeeze my shoulder blades together or actively engage my shoulders in anyway?

    And is a bodyweight row effective for working the back/rear delts in opposition to the muscles worked in a pushup?

    Cheers fellas!

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    It's my personal belief that a young guy should get good at body weight workouts before going on to barbells. I believe that it will help protect your joints from injury. The books, You are your own gym, and Convict Conditioning are excellent resources for the answers to your questions. Alkavadlo.com, and rosstraining.com, also excellent resources. For barbell stuff, anything from Rippetoe or Louie Simmons is a good place to start.

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    • #3
      Bodyweight workouts do a better job, if done correctly, of completely engaging every muscle of your body - most importantly your core.

      Bodyweight workouts are also very flexible, and can provide a ton of variety in workout routines.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by paul119 View Post
        Bodyweight workouts do a better job, if done correctly, of completely engaging every muscle of your body - most importantly your core.
        Yep, bodyweight workouts can engage your core all right.

        At a small fraction of the intensity of heavy deadlifts and squats.

        In an emergency, who would you rather have as a sidekick - someone who can do 300 bodyweight airsquats or someone who can squat 5 reps with 2x their bodyweight on their shoulders?

        Great things can be achieved without weights, but working with weights (Olympic- & Power-lifts) is usually a more effective use of your time, if you want to become stronger.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by paul119 View Post
          Bodyweight workouts do a better job, if done correctly, of completely engaging every muscle of your body - most importantly your core.

          Bodyweight workouts are also very flexible, and can provide a ton of variety in workout routines.
          If you think heavy deadlifts or squats don't work your core, along with every other muscle in your body, you're doing it very wrong.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by workinprogress View Post
            It's my personal belief that a young guy should get good at body weight workouts before going on to barbells. I believe that it will help protect your joints from injury. The books, You are your own gym, and Convict Conditioning are excellent resources for the answers to your questions. Alkavadlo.com, and rosstraining.com, also excellent resources. For barbell stuff, anything from Rippetoe or Louie Simmons is a good place to start.
            I really don't understand this fear of barbells and "preparation" for working with them. If you are 70 years old and are just starting weight lifting, then yes, start with bodyweight to ensure you have the basic level of strength and flexibility to work with barbells. However, the OP an 18 year old healthy male, why does he need to get good at bodyweight before doing workouts with barbells? How will squatting his bodyweight repeatedly, which I am sure he can already do with ease, being 18 and in good shape, "protect his joints from injury"?

            OP: Learn proper form, get under the damn bar and get strong.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by goneprimal View Post

              In an emergency, who would you rather have as a sidekick - someone who can do 300 bodyweight airsquats or someone who can squat 5 reps with 2x their bodyweight on their shoulders.
              Well' that kind of depends on the situation. 300 air squats is not trivial. If the situation demanded endurance in a sidekick, I might opt for the bodyweight person.

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              • #8
                [QUOTE=quikky;1159505]I really don't understand this fear of barbells and "preparation" for working with them. If you are 70 years old and are just starting weight lifting, then yes, start with bodyweight to ensure you have the basic level of strength and flexibility to work with barbells. However, the OP an 18 year old healthy male, why does he need to get good at bodyweight before doing workouts with barbells? How will squatting his bodyweight repeatedly, which I am sure he can already do with ease, being 18 and in good shape, "protect his joints from injury"?

                I never meant to imply he would hurt himself. He stated that getting to a gym would be difficult and was asking about body weight exercises. I have met to many people even healthy 18 y/o boys who aren't ready to get under a bar. Yes I do barbell training myself, but I also have easy access to good equipment. I also do lots of body weight exercises and feel they are better all around exercises for most people. If you don't fit into the most people category, then my recommendation doesn't count.
                I still believe that whether you can get to a gym or not, an exercise program is incomplete at best if you aren't doing the basic body weight exercises. It will protect you in the long run, and when he can get to a gym with barbells he will be ahead of the game.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by workinprogress View Post
                  I also do lots of body weight exercises and feel they are better all around exercises for most people.
                  ...
                  I still believe that whether you can get to a gym or not, an exercise program is incomplete at best if you aren't doing the basic body weight exercises. It will protect you in the long run, and when he can get to a gym with barbells he will be ahead of the game.
                  Why? I'd like to know the physiology behind your claims.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by workinprogress View Post
                    an exercise program is incomplete at best if you aren't doing the basic body weight exercises. It will protect you in the long run, and when he can get to a gym with barbells he will be ahead of the game.
                    Actually, he'll be way behind the game if the game has been squatting and deadlifting with good form.

                    But hey, why not go for a nice long jog and do 100 crunches. That's what seems to work for "most people".

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                    • #11
                      Lockstock, you can take my opinion or not. I have nothing to gain or lose. Some want to read to much into it and nitpick. If you can't get to a gym, I believe you will be well served with a body weight program. If you can get to a gym, there is nothing wrong with stronglifts, starting strength, or westside barbell.
                      My opinions are nothing else but opinions. They are based on personal experience, not a physiology book. Heck I've never even taken a personal trainer class. So caveat emptor.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by workinprogress View Post
                        Lockstock, you can take my opinion or not. I have nothing to gain or lose. Some want to read to much into it and nitpick. If you can't get to a gym, I believe you will be well served with a body weight program. If you can get to a gym, there is nothing wrong with stronglifts, starting strength, or westside barbell.
                        My opinions are nothing else but opinions. They are based on personal experience, not a physiology book. Heck I've never even taken a personal trainer class. So caveat emptor.
                        Thanks for the advice everyone.
                        Obviously, id love to do stronglifts because I think it's a good mass and strength building program. But I literally am so poor atm. I barely have a few dollars in my wallet atm.

                        So I figured bodyweight would be the way to go. That being said, I'm not talking about 800 air squats.
                        How about 20 1 legged squats with a 20kg dumbell?
                        Thats STRONG.

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                        • #13
                          Bodyweight vs Barbells + home workout questions

                          As you have tell already, Right now you are doing squats, pushups, pull-ups, body-weight rows and shoulder press. These thing are best for maintain your body also you can use weight loss health supplements for being perfect.

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