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  • #16
    But not everybody can, and not everyone has the judgment to make that decision.
    Are you saying that harder workouts should not be available because people get hurt? Ultimately, it's your own responsibility to work out safely. In terms of movements that can injure you, P-90X is really pretty safe unless you overload the weight (again, you make that mistake- he doesn't tell you how much to lift). Insanity gets a little risky with the high impact moves, again, use your judgment. My wrist started hurting, so I stopped. I made it through 1.5 cycles.

    I feel like Insanity is targeted to people already in shape, and P-90X also has a precursor that he recommends for beginners.

    Slow progress makes sense for fitness, but sometimes you plateau and need something fresh. At some point, taking a walk, doing some sprints and doing body weight exercises may get old. You might not have access to a gym. The Beachbody stuff gives you alternatives.

    I also think that the person who tries to keep up with Shaun T and gets hurt on their first day of Insanity is the same one that shows up at the gym and tries to dead lift too much weight before learning form, that ends up with a blown out knee from adding mileage too fast on running etc. etc. etc.

    Yeah, my wrist started to hurt. And when I did the PB body weight, my hip got sore. When I ran, I had lower back issues. My hip gets a little sore with my current class. Horseback riding hurts my back. You do need to tolerate some aches and pain in life if you want to be active.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
      Ultimately, it's your own responsibility to work out safely.
      There is truth to that. But at the same time, there are plenty of people out there with no background to make this judgment who get attracted by the marketing. The marketing is targeting people like that.

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      • #18
        There is truth to that. But at the same time, there are plenty of people out there with no background to make this judgment who get attracted by the marketing. The marketing is targeting people like that.
        I don't know.... I guess he sold the product to me, at the time I was a chronic cardio person being treated for back pain. I saw the value of more diversity and felt that the workout would be harder than the typical DVD that didn't push me at all. I have two other friends who bought it- one is a chiropracter, former gymnast, very fit. The other has a lot of experience with the TaeBo stuff. I also know some Beach Body coaches and for the most part, they have solid backgrounds in fitness.

        On the website, they have a section of selections for beginners (does not include Insanity) and advanced (includes Insanity).

        I think Beachbody is a company that makes money, for sure, but also sells an effective product. The marketing can be a turn off, and super overwhelming. Maybe the disclaimers should be a little more clear, but what other business markets their products with giant warnings discouraging you... except cigarettes.

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        • #19
          I think Profs. Palfrey, Neckhammer and eKatherine all make some interesting and valid points.

          But this thread brings to mind some I recall from a few months ago, where the subject of exercise levels were broached in a way which seems contrary to the spirit (if not the letter) of the whole Primal thing. In those threads, the OP (sorry, I didn't feel like searching to find the exact poster) noted that in order to achieve her goals, she needed to do what most here would consider excessive exercise - even beyond what one finds in the various Beachbody programs referenced on this thread. She had done everything recommended on this site and in the book, but that didn't quite get her where she needed to be.

          I think people looking into Insanity, etc, tend to be in that boat - and I tend to be sympathetic to them. For many people, the sorts of exercises typically recommended here work very well. But for others, it just isn't enough. Of course, there is a whole thread for athletes; and I tend to think that the sort of person who needs more than some slow moving and an occasional sprint, plus a few days of lifting tends to fall into the athlete category (even if they don't formally compete). If the OP falls into that category, then Insanity is probably a good fit for her.

          There is something else to consider in this regard, too. Although she doesn't get into this, if the OP has lost a significant amount of weight previously, and is now trying to regain some of that weight loss, the sort of exercise routine suggested by Primal philosophy might not be adequate, anyway. Emerging research seems to be indicating that there is a significant metabolic slowdown after major weight loss - which slowdown might not be reversible. This is emerging research, of course. Still, it seems to be indicating that the amount of exercise needed to keep up a weight loss, that is, the maintenance amount, is at least as great, or even greater, than what was needed to achieve the weight loss in the first place! (NOTE: This seems to be further exacerbated by following a low-fat, high carb diet, which adds as much as a 400/day calorie deficit to the picture! Primal would probably fall somewhere in between the low glycemic, which is decent, and low-carb, high-fat diet, which is best for that, but has other associated issues, such as high levels of cortisol). That being the case, something as extreme as Insanity or P90x might be required for people to maintain or re-acquire a significant weight loss.

          I would simply recommend that she make sure to add some pullups. The first version of Insanity has none. I think he rectified that in the second version, but I'm not sure.

          In terms of the marketing, I think those are valid points (although perhaps for different reasons). Nor would the fact that we should be responsible consumers completely mitigate the responsibility a company like Beachbody should have in making sure not to over-exaggerate their claims. That doesn't mean it's not a good program, though - it just might mean that it's not a good program for some people (which it certainly isn't - for some, perhaps many, people).

          Prof. Magnolia is right that we ought to be aware of what we can and can't do. I think the fact that so many have difficulties here speaks to a generally poor state of public education on the subject, rather than to individual failures of personal responsibility. Still, if you are just now getting off the couch, you ought to at least know that Insanity is not yet for you!

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          • #20
            the biggest problem I see with these programs and their marketing is that it makes overweight and out of shape people believe that you have to do this crazy amount of "cardio" to be thin and healthy. If I believed I had to flop around and sweat like crazy for an hour a day to lose wight and be healthy I would be a big fat sloth.

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            • #21
              Having done Insanity.... it is not that bad. It really isn't that crazy or insane or "XTREME". I'm sure our fore-fathers did far more on a farm, LOL. The intense part runs like 25 minutes with breaks. If you aren't in shape, you can't go at it with the intensity of the people on TV. You have a long warm up with like 10 minutes of stretching, maybe a few of that doing shit like jumping jacks. Then you cool down and stretch for 5. Honestly... it may run for 50 minutes on the DVD. 5 of that is a warning, 10 is the warm up, 25 is the work out, 5 is the cool down and 5 is an infomercial for nutrient shakes.

              It's not much harder than running a 5K.

              It's kind of "extreme" next to say, "Sweating To The Oldies".

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              • #22
                i think insanity would be good for me. as philosopher dan was saying, some people just hit plateaus. i don't like thinking of my whole fitness routine, i always tend to find something wrong with it for some reason. i did a bit of p90x before and thought it was great because i felt like a great workout and it's completely and thoroughly planned out and right there on the dvd for me to do. i just like the fact that it's a challenge, it's laid out plain and simple for anyone to follow, and i've heard good things about it from a few people i actually know who did it. i looked at the workout schedule, googled those individual programs and marked which days i plan on doing my pull ups and whatnot. almost every week i'm adding in 1-3 strength days, so very soon i'll be able to tell you guys how that works out!

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                • #23
                  I did Insanity and Asylum quite awhile ago. It's great for conditioning. You will be pretty gassed after these workouts. If I were you, I would just do the program and then switch over to a strength training program after and incorporate some HIIT to maintain conditioning. I just started doing this recently, I normally just lift and do barbell complexes but I recently added 2-3 insanity routines a week. Man, I forget how good you feel after those workouts. I'm pissed because I can't find my damn Asylum DVDs. the speed and agility workout is fun.
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                  • #24
                    glad to hear you enjoyed it, fernaldo! asylum looks like fun, i may check into it after insanity

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                    • #25
                      I've done Insanity, the workouts are tough but like others have said, if you're already fit they'll be challenging but not "insane". The most challenging aspect for me was doing it the entire 60 days, especially when I was dead tired/exhausted physically towards the last few weeks (but I did it). Having done many of the beachbody programs and similar things before getting more into the primal lifestyle, my hindsight opinion is that they are not really healthy longterm and are basically overexercising. I did lose weight on insanity, but I've actually gotten the results I thought I'd get from it in body composition on primal philosophy (heavy lifts a few times a week, occasional sprints). That said, I totally get when you've got the bug to challenge yourself and complete a program like that, and as long as you give your body a well deserved break for a couple weeks after and only do these programs 1 or maybe 2 times a year, there are definitely far worse ways you could spend your time. There is something to be said for finishing a structured program/challenge that a general lifestyle approach doesn't quite have. So yeah, work out smart and don't overdo it, listen to your body and pull back on the intensity/frequency when you're done, and I think you'll enjoy the challenge and accomplishment.

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                      • #26
                        very good points, mr vigilante. would you consider having 2-3 strength workouts each week overdoing it while doing insanity? i plan on finishing the dvd workout then moving onto strength a few minutes after. then having my post workout nutrition.

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                        • #27
                          I purchased Insanity for my wife some time ago as she likes these types of workouts. She finished Insanity and while she liked it she said that she would almost certainly never do the whole routine again from start to finish. She does occasionally pulls out a random dvd from time to time for variety.

                          In a nutshell it was just too much volume, jumping, impact etc. to make it a sustainable long term workout. Also if you are interested in building strength, Insanity probably isn't a good choice. It may be good for cardio/endurance but with this kind of volume/reps you aren't going to make any meaningful strength gains.

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                          • #28
                            so where is everyone's stand point on if i should add in extra strength days? i'm thinking about doing it, i just don't know if i'll be able to lose fat and build muscle both well, while doing insanity... it should be at my house tomorrow around 11-12. thanks, and happy easter, everyone!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by breetbree View Post
                              so where is everyone's stand point on if i should add in extra strength days? i'm thinking about doing it, i just don't know if i'll be able to lose fat and build muscle both well, while doing insanity... it should be at my house tomorrow around 11-12. thanks, and happy easter, everyone!
                              Well, like I said, in regards to the program, I believe it's overexercising out of the box. So if it were me, I definitely wouldn't add strength on top of it. Lots of people get the strength workouts by doing a P90x/Insanity hybrid, which is basically the 3 days of strength from P90x and insanity on the days in-between. That sounds like a more reasonable compromise to me, but I still think it would be overdoing it for most people.

                              Couple of other points I'll make: Insanity is an intense cardio workout, but it's not really great from a program design perspective. I believe Beachbody is a good company, but they are master marketers, don't forget that. From primal lifestyle perspective it's chronic cardio. In my own research, I've come across some analysis of it and other workout programs by some of the exercise research organizations in the past and it came dead last for how well it's designed, and it really feels that way when doing it. None of the days really feel different, save for the "recovery" day, it's all just similar high intensity cardio and all runs together as one big blob of high heart rate stuff. I would bet money that you could mix up all the days of the program randomly and still get the same results.

                              It really sounds like you've got the bug though. I've been there, where the excitement and enthusiasm and desire to get results pushes you to try to do as much as possible in as little time as possible. I learned my lesson from some overtraining injuries (mild, luckily) and now feel better and got much better results pulling back a lot. It's counter-intuitive to that drive to achieve, but it's how it works. I've said my peace, hopefully you figure out what works best for you. Good luck, and if you're hell bent to learn the overtraining lesson the hard way, hopefully it's learnt fast...

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                              • #30
                                haha thanks mr vigilante! I actually added in a strength day today, as it was also my first day of insanity. all I had to do was the fit test. it still made me sweat a lot and my legs were a little sore at the end but that went away quickly. the only upper body thing I had to do for that was push up jacks, so about an hour after of having my post workout nutrition, I did pull ups, chin ups, dips, and push ups, then had more whey protein for hopefully quicker recovery. the strength session only was an added 30 minutes of upper body exercises. so far i'm feeling pretty good

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