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  • #91
    Mark Sisson's wife is super hot, is a vegetarian and doesn't work out two hours a day. I will grant you that if you want to look attractive and fit then you will. However it will take a concerted effort - maybe 1-2 hours a day. This shouldn't be surprising? Is it really? Lots of things require sacrifice if you really want to excel at them - body composition is no different. It's also the reason body compositions are appealing -- because the majority of people say "fuck this this is too hard it isn't worth the effort".

    if two hours a day to *get into shape for* the body of your dreams (read:not maintain!) isn't worth the effort then you really don't want it - which is fine. But acting as though it's some onerous, terrible chore to shed fat, get lean and strong, healthy and fit.... what the fuck else are you going to be doing with two hours a day that IS MORE IMPORTANT than being healthy?? cry me a river!
    I have done the crazy ass 1-2 hours a day of working out and diet and it got me exactly nowhere (sitting on my ass eating primal did more). Leida does the same. I've seen women FINISHING Ironmans with saddlebags, and flabby arms and legs (men with pot bellies as well). My friends do cross fit and paleo and have pot bellies and fat asses.

    what the fuck else are you going to be doing with two hours a day that IS MORE IMPORTANT than being healthy??
    Spend 45 minutes working out, say fuck it to having defined abs and lean legs and actually.... be healthy because that extra effort doesn't necessarily yield results aesthetically nor is it necessary for health.

    I think there are diminishing returns with eating right and working out and that genetics at some point become "not your friend". I'm not saying you just eat McDonalds and sit on your ass. But if you are doing a good mix of cardio and weights 5 times a week, plus otherwise active and eating a whole foods diet and it doesn't land you close to where you want to get, you probably are not going to get there, even if you go to extremes.

    Note, this is not an excuse to be obese or not work out or not eat right, just that "lean with defined muscles" is no more obtainable for some people than "willowy" is... and I'm going to bet that if tomorrow obesity became stylish that there are people who could not acheive going from 22% body fat to 35% body fat even if they ate precisely timed servings of junk food.

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    • #92
      Genetics play a large part. At what I call my 'stick' weight, I can assure you that even if I could squat/deadlift my apartment building, I'd never have huge thighs or a great bubble ass. We just don't have bubble ass genes in my family.

      For the swimmers among us. Nothing scientific, just something I was told. A friend swam competitively in college. After college, she got a job as a director at a local Y. No time to swim, but coordinating classes meant that she taught both her classes and would sub teach for other teachers/leaders. She lost about 30 pounds not even trying - really, she seemed to always have a bag of something salty/greasy in her hands. She told me that swimmers develop a bit of fat to insulate them from the cold. Don't know if it's true, just putting it out there.
      "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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      • #93
        Don't know what to say ladies - feel free to throw your hands in the air and say it is impossible to achieve the body you want - but it isn't. See it every day -- people who work hard to achieve their goals. Then there are the people who get on an internet forum and bemoan that their goals are impossible.
        1-2 hours a day - check
        Lift - check
        variety of cardio/HIT -check
        clean foods only - check
        cook every meal (breakfast, lunch, dinner) for my whole family with my own lily whites - check
        get up at 4 am to get everything done daily - check
        play time and homework with my kid daily - check
        full-time professional job 8+ hours a day - check
        standing desk at work all day - check
        eat to satiation - check
        daily commute - check
        daily stretch -check
        sleep - 6-7 hrs a day - check
        no TV-time - check

        So, tell me again what I am I doing wrong again and where I am like going lazy? Oh, maybe I am not relaxing enough? That's the problem, right? And if I was relaxing, then I would be that lazy woman who just don't devote enough time to daily exercise. YAY!

        I dunno why people can't just believe that you can be doing everything right but not get outstanding results. "Just work a little harder" stops working to the point when you keel over from exhaustion. You have to step back an inch from not being able to move in the evening every night. And, yes, I do have nights when I can't walk upstairs my muscles are so exhausted, so I go on all fours. And, if I cut calories lower I stop sleeping. Which, in turn prevents fat loss.

        My day today... woke up 4 am. Stretched in bed till 4:30 am. Got up and made 3 breakfasts, fresh OJ for my folks, packed lunches, looked at X-fit WOD, how can I sub 150 wall ball & 30 mus-up since wrist injured?
        Depart for work (I have someone's parking this week, WOOOT!) otherwise I would be up at 4 am at 5:30 am
        Arrive work: 6 am, databse with eo March deadlin - till 8:45 am, walk to first meeting 9 am, second meeting - immediately after, to 11:25 am, database
        snow cold, crap, e-mails - no walk for lunch, catch up after work, ignore a few referals
        third meeting (need prep now) at 1 pm to 3:30 pm
        hopefully will run out of the doors as soon as over, db work unfinished (to re-start at 6 am tomorrow) and get to gym by 4:15 am, qworkout till 5:15 am (injured forearm with FRT SQTs, so adopt WOD and do some cardio, swim if pool lanes not busy, elliptical otherwise) pick kid at 5:30-5:45. Supper available, but put to thaw for cooking morning since not enough for lunches, homework
        promised henna tattoos to kid since Spring Fest, don't forget in fridge at work
        Oh, sent Easter cards out
        Clean up kitchen, put away gym stuff, stretch, play with the kid (cuddle with Little House on the Prairies and I can read), make sure in bed by 8 pm. Husband works late, leave dinner....
        END OF DAY, sleep, start over
        Last edited by Leida; 03-21-2013, 11:54 AM.
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        • #94
          Originally posted by Leida View Post
          1-2 hours a day - check
          Lift - check
          variety of cardio/HIT -check
          clean foods only - check
          cook every meal (breakfast, lunch, dinner) for my whole family with my own lily whites - check
          get up at 4 am to get everything done daily - check
          play time and homework with my kid daily - check
          full-time professional job 8+ hours a day - check
          standing desk at work all day - check
          eat to satiation - check
          daily commute - check
          daily stretch -check
          sleep - 6-7 hrs a day - check
          no TV-time - check

          So, tell me again what I am I doing wrong again and where I am like going lazy? Oh, maybe I am not relaxing enough? That's the problem, right? And if I was relaxing, then I would be that lazy woman who just don't devote enough time to daily exercise. YAY!

          I dunno why people can't just believe that you can be doing everything right but not get outstanding results. "Just work a little harder" stops working to the point when you keel over from exhaustion. You have to step back an inch from not being able to move in the evening every night. And, yes, I do have nights when I can't walk upstairs my muscles are so exhausted, so I go on all fours. And, if I cut calories lower I stop sleeping. Which, in turn prevents fat loss.

          My day today... woke up 4 am. Stretched in bed till 4:30 am. Got up and made 3 breakfasts, fresh OJ for my folks, packed lunches, looked at X-fit WOD, how can I sub 150 wall ball & 30 mus-up since wrist injured?
          Depart for work (I have someone's parking this week, WOOOT!) otherwise I would be up at 4 am at 5:30 am
          Arrive work: 6 am, databse with eo March deadlin - till 8:45 am, walk to first meeting 9 am, second meeting - immediately after, to 11:25 am, database
          snow cold, crap, e-mails - no walk for lunch, catch up after work, ignore a few referals
          third meeting (need prep now) at 1 pm to 3:30 pm
          hopefully will run out of the doors as soon as over, db work unfinished (to re-start at 6 am tomorrow) and get to gym by 4:15 am, qworkout till 5:15 am (injured forearm with FRT SQTs, so adopt WOD and do some cardio, swim if pool lanes not busy, elliptical otherwise) pick kid at 5:30-5:45. Supper available, but put to thaw for cooking morning since not enough for lunches, homework
          promised henna tattoos to kid since Spring Fest, don't forget in fridge at work
          Oh, sent Easter cards out
          Clean up kitchen, put away gym stuff, stretch, play with the kid (cuddle with Little House on the Prairies and I can read), make sure in bed by 8 pm. Husband works late, leave dinner....
          END OF DAY, sleep, start over
          slacker

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Leida View Post
            1-2 hours a day - check
            Lift - check
            variety of cardio/HIT -check
            clean foods only - check
            cook every meal (breakfast, lunch, dinner) for my whole family with my own lily whites - check
            get up at 4 am to get everything done daily - check
            play time and homework with my kid daily - check
            full-time professional job 8+ hours a day - check
            standing desk at work all day - check
            eat to satiation - check
            daily commute - check
            daily stretch -check
            sleep - 6-7 hrs a day - check
            no TV-time - check

            So, tell me again what I am I doing wrong again and where I am like going lazy? Oh, maybe I am not relaxing enough? That's the problem, right? And if I was relaxing, then I would be that lazy woman who just don't devote enough time to daily exercise. YAY!

            I dunno why people can't just believe that you can be doing everything right but not get outstanding results. "Just work a little harder" stops working to the point when you keel over from exhaustion. You have to step back an inch from not being able to move in the evening every night. And, yes, I do have nights when I can't walk upstairs my muscles are so exhausted, so I go on all fours. And, if I cut calories lower I stop sleeping. Which, in turn prevents fat loss.

            My day today... woke up 4 am. Stretched in bed till 4:30 am. Got up and made 3 breakfasts, fresh OJ for my folks, packed lunches, looked at X-fit WOD, how can I sub 150 wall ball & 30 mus-up since wrist injured?
            Depart for work (I have someone's parking this week, WOOOT!) otherwise I would be up at 4 am at 5:30 am
            Arrive work: 6 am, databse with eo March deadlin - till 8:45 am, walk to first meeting 9 am, second meeting - immediately after, to 11:25 am, database
            snow cold, crap, e-mails - no walk for lunch, catch up after work, ignore a few referals
            third meeting (need prep now) at 1 pm to 3:30 pm
            hopefully will run out of the doors as soon as over, db work unfinished (to re-start at 6 am tomorrow) and get to gym by 4:15 am, qworkout till 5:15 am (injured forearm with FRT SQTs, so adopt WOD and do some cardio, swim if pool lanes not busy, elliptical otherwise) pick kid at 5:30-5:45. Supper available, but put to thaw for cooking morning since not enough for lunches, homework
            promised henna tattoos to kid since Spring Fest, don't forget in fridge at work
            Oh, sent Easter cards out
            Clean up kitchen, put away gym stuff, stretch, play with the kid (cuddle with Little House on the Prairies and I can read), make sure in bed by 8 pm. Husband works late, leave dinner....
            END OF DAY, sleep, start over
            Last time I saw your before and after pictures you showed some great progress, so obviously you must have changed things for the better! So, what are those changes that helped to transform your body?
            "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

            - Schopenhauer

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            • #96
              All I've learned from this thread is that if your a girl your doomed to be fat because apparently nothing in the world works for them.

              PS: lets see these before and after pics and see what we're really working with here.

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              • #97
                I gave up on willpower years ago. It seemed like I ran out of my quota for life. I've tried a lot of things while I've been losing weight gradually. Some seem to work. Perhaps it's because it's been so long since I have truly dieted, instead letting my weight gradually rise.

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                • #98
                  All I've learned from this thread is that if your a girl your doomed to be fat because apparently nothing in the world works for them.
                  LOL, no.... not doomed to be fat, but more than likely not going to look like a fitness model.

                  I gave up on willpower years ago. It seemed like I ran out of my quota for life.
                  Yeah, I'm pissed that I wasted mine on eating low fat. I do wonder if I re-harnessed that level of obsessive with a paleo template, coupled with the workouts, what would happen?

                  It's not that hard to not be "fat". It's really damn hard to get to that lower than 20% body fat though.

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                  • #99
                    I used up my willpower on weekend fasting about 15 years ago when I was doing yoga.

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                    • Surely doing Yoga and Fasting gave you a Yoga Teacher Body?

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                      • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                        LOL, no.... not doomed to be fat, but more than likely not going to look like a fitness model.
                        If you want to look like a fitness model you must train and diet like a fitnessmodell and also use the same "supplements" as they do! It's about getting used to feel hungry and miserable as a lifestyle...
                        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                        - Schopenhauer

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                        • Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                          Surely doing Yoga and Fasting gave you a Yoga Teacher Body?
                          Doing yoga and fasting caused me to lose 35 pounds off my bench press and injure my hips which took over a decade to heal.
                          Last edited by eKatherine; 03-21-2013, 01:09 PM.

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                          • same here about willpower. All used up ten years ago eating cabbage soup and drinking cc light for two weeks straight. Did worked on weight loss though, but brain damage was invertible (not like the weight loss).

                            btw, had a really down moment today at the gym. Saw a girl (about tall as myself) with visible toned muscles, but she lifted weights about 3x lighter than mine. Did not put much effort in it either. And looked like that. And that is where my path has taken me - I am strong, but it is a secret because it does not show. If I could lose 3-4kg (7lbs) would I look like I actually do work out? I actually have muscles I know I did not have 2 years ago but they are kind of hidden under soft fatty layer :P

                            This was completely off topic I think. My thighs are a bit firmer from squatting but not much bigger, which is at least is a good thing

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                            • Originally posted by TheFastCat View Post
                              Just tossing this out there - a girlfriend of mine who doesn't exercise told me an anecdote yesterday. She was in Whole Foods and noticed a 60 year old woman wearing a crossfit shirt. The woman obviously did Crossfit -- "She had an ass of a twenty year old -- I (my friend who is 34) wanted to ask her where she got it - I want an ass like hers!"

                              she went on to say the rest of her body was equally fit and good looking.

                              Don't know what to say ladies - feel free to throw your hands in the air and say it is impossible to achieve the body you want - but it isn't. See it every day -- people who work hard to achieve their goals. Then there are the people who get on an internet forum and bemoan that their goals are impossible.
                              Um...okay...first, please let me know where I can make my legs grow about 5 inches longer through "hard work".
                              Second...oh, you're right. You know exactly how hard I work and how my body responds to it. Yep...please tell me more about how much I've been slacking and how easy it would be to get the body I want if I wasn't so lazy.

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                              • Of course squats can make your tights bigger, it's their purpose to do this.
                                I am not a bodybuilding/fat loss/strength training "guru" BUT I achieved a lean state with ease after learning the correct way to train and eat and I want to HELP YOU achieve the same.

                                Getting fit is also about managing your mindset:
                                http://getfitmindset.com

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