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  • #31
    Where do you girls rank on those lists? Advanced? Elite? No, probably not. In fact, I bet you struggle to fit into the untrained category. That's because you're not strong and muscular. You're just big. And you're delusional if you think you can put on lean body mass ridiculously easily, when males - with vastly superior testosterone levels and training intensity - are barely able to put on any muscle without gaining at least some amount of bodyfat in the process.
    Try again, brah. I'm 149lbs and at Intermediate in each of the lifts listed, and only 10 and 20 pounds shy of Advanced in Clean and Deadlift, respectively. I've been Crossfitting for 6 months, and I eat Primal, and otherwise that's it. So, please, go ahead and keep telling me how I don't put on muscle easily. Six months ago I was deadlifting 110. Now I deadlift 220. I'd love to hear more of your amazing insight on how I'm not strong, just big.

    Also, thanks for being a condescending prick about fitness. We ladies NEVER run into that in the real world, so it's refreshing.

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    • #32
      I wish I could claim that I kept low body fat that easily... As I'm sure you read, I can't and a still have a ways to go But she does sound like someone who might belie the common impression that women just don't naturally have much lean mass. Like all human beings, there's a continuum.

      And as far as being athletic, the only things I was around the best at in gym were lifting and ping pong, so I'm not sure I can claim that title! (Hint: if you want to do well in doubles ping pong in middle/high school, make yourself disagreeable so you don't have a partner, then proceed to hit the ball as close to the middle of the opponents' side as possible. Works like a charm!)

      Thanks for commenting! I need to get back to working out my fairy dust muscles

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      • #33
        i dont know about the testosterone thing. i have always been a tomboy in my activities but i look totally feminine. i muscle up easily but i dont bulk. in fact, i spent years avoiding big weights in case i did bulk. i am usually towards the middle end of the healthy BMI and i always weigh more than i appear to. no probs finding pants that fit me either.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
          Try again, brah. I'm 149lbs and at Intermediate in each of the lifts listed, and only 10 and 20 pounds shy of Advanced in Clean and Deadlift, respectively. I've been Crossfitting for 6 months, and I eat Primal, and otherwise that's it. So, please, go ahead and keep telling me how I don't put on muscle easily. Six months ago I was deadlifting 110. Now I deadlift 220. I'd love to hear more of your amazing insight on how I'm not strong, just big.
          Strong deadlift. Just a few pounds shy of Advanced as you point out. Here is the thing: This thread is about building muscle - and not the imaginary kind of muscle. Now, would you be so kind as to tell us exactly how many pounds of sheer muscle tissue you have added to your frame. You have literally doubled your numbers on one of the best mass gain exercises known to mankind and I have been led to believe that women put on muscle easily. You should look much bigger, much stronger. Not just leaner.

          The thing is, despite your numbers, I would be very surprised if you have gained more than a few pounds of muscle over the last six months. And I bet you had to work hard... and I mean REAL hard to improve your numbers that much. But please prove me wrong about women and their inability to easily put on muscle - or show us that it is at least possible to build an appreciable amount of lean body mass over six months. Post a picture of your trapezius and rhomboids so we can see what an advanced female deadlifter looks like.
          Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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          • #35
            I think the clothing thing is the hardest part of not being a waif. Whatever my waist measurement is, the fashion industry tells me that my arms are too thick compared to the rest of me. It's just worse when I'm leaner. I know this discussion has come up elsewhere on the site, since a lot of us Primal women are something other than skin and bones or shapeless blobs. (Those really do seem to be our options, clothing-wise.)
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            • #36
              This thread is about building muscle - and not the imaginary kind of muscle.
              What the hell are you even talking about? You're not making sense.

              I have been led to believe that women put on muscle easily.
              Then you've misconstrued the topic of this thread. It's not "women put on muscle easily". It's "some women put on muscle easily". I am one of those.

              What exactly are you trying to argue? Because in your first post, you were arguing that all of us in this thread are "not strong, just big." Now you're conceding that I am indeed strong, and are saying that I must also be big? Which is it? You're confusing.

              And I bet you had to work hard... and I mean REAL hard to improve your numbers that much.
              Yes, over the course of six months, I worked very hard. But the fastest muscle gains were in the first month. I went from having so-so muscle size and definition to larger muscle size and obvious definition. And in that month, I gained ten pounds while also dropping a clothing size. Muscles grew, fat shrank.

              It's been true my entire life that when I start a strength-based activity, I get muscular quickly. And I have noticeably bigger muscles than most of the women I see in my day-to-day life. There are women in my Crossfit classes that started around the same time as me and look exactly the same, as far as muscle size. They have even commented to me about how muscular I look compared to them, so it's not in my head. We're doing the same amount of work, and I am building muscle more easily and quickly.

              No one here is trying to state any absolutes or speak for all women out there. We're just talking about a particular body trait we happen to share. I'm not sure why this is something you feel the need to argue with. You can say our personal experiences are wrong all the livelong day, but you're not going to convince us that something we have personally witnessed with our own eyes actually did not happen.

              Post a picture of your trapezius and rhomboids so we can see what an advanced female deadlifter looks like.
              I have no idea what this would prove to you. I don't look like an advanced weightlifter, and I don't consider myself one. Are you implying that I'm lying about my lifts? *shrug* I can't help you there. I've always been very open on these boards about my stats and lifts, though, so I think you'll find a consistent story. There are semi-recent pictures of me on my blog if you're curious.

              Or better yet, just buzz off and let us get back to our conversation.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
                I have no idea what this would prove to you. I don't look like an advanced weightlifter, and I don't consider myself one. Are you implying that I'm lying about my lifts?
                No, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying that women look fairly unimpressive in terms of muscle size regardless of their actual strength. That is, unless they take performance enhancing drugs. To even suggest that you can build muscle lifting dogs, feedbags and hay bales if you are a woman must be an insult to someone like you, who lifts heavy barbells multiple times every week and have little to show for it (relatively speaking).
                Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                • #38
                  What on earth made you think we were talking about looking like Arnold Schwarzenegger? We're simply talking about our ability to build muscle RELATIVE TO OTHER WOMEN.

                  I'm saying that women look fairly unimpressive in terms of muscle size regardless of their actual strength.
                  How is this at all helpful or relevant to our conversation? And also, compared to whom? Men? Yes, men have bigger muscles than women. Congratulations, you really uncovered a groundbreaking observation, there.

                  To even suggest that you can build muscle lifting dogs, feedbags and hay bales if you are a woman must be an insult to someone like you, who lifts heavy barbells multiple times every week and have little to show for it (relatively speaking).
                  I'm not insulted in the slightest, because it is possible to build muscle in those ways. And the point is not that I have gigantic muscles to show for my efforts, but that I have bigger muscles than other women doing the same work. Oh. My God. I don't know how else to drill this through your head.

                  All I can tell from your circuitous, off-topic, combative, and often nonsensical posts is that you have a) a poor education in English grammar and b) serious issues with women. Maybe go sort those out and leave us alone.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
                    [...] a poor education in English grammar
                    Aww, that was uncalled for
                    Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                      No, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying that women look fairly unimpressive in terms of muscle size regardless of their actual strength. That is, unless they take performance enhancing drugs. To even suggest that you can build muscle lifting dogs, feedbags and hay bales if you are a woman must be an insult to someone like you, who lifts heavy barbells multiple times every week and have little to show for it (relatively speaking).
                      Have you ever done farm work? Hay season involves lifting 50+ lb. bales at very awkward angles, sometimes above your head, often extending out in front of you, so physics will make it feel much heavier. Add this to the fact it is often done in 100 degree weather, and that it is common to put up several hundred bales in a day. And trying to get a cow that literally weighs a ton up after she develops milk fever from calving? Yes, you can build a lot of strength doing farm work. How much VISIBLE muscle you build depends on the woman. And why would a woman who cares about her strength enough to work out like heatseeker does be insulted by the idea that someone who spends most of their day doing physical labor can be strong too? You seem determined to denigrate everything that any woman in this thread has accomplished.

                      Also, since you seem not to have caught on, this thread is talking about muscle size RELATIVE TO OTHER WOMEN. Do I have visibly more muscle mass (bigger biceps, quads and calf muscles) than a guy who does the same workout? Probably not. Do I have more visible muscle mass than the majority of women who don't do steroids or extreme lifting? I would say yes. Do I have more visible muscle mass than guys who don't work out regularly? I would say yes to this too.

                      And now we come to the crux of the matter. You say that "women look fairly unimpressive in terms of muscle size regardless of their actual strength." It's obvious that there is an implied "compared to men" in this statement. Did I ever compare myself to a man in the original post? Have any of us said that we thought we could take a guy who lifts and works out regularly? No. But I'm a little confused, because you said in your first response that 125 lbs. lean mass while weighing 150 would be "very impressive." There, at least, you seemed to be comparing apples to apples, namely women compared to other women.

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                      • #41
                        Aww, that was uncalled for
                        You're currently trolling a thread calling every woman posting here first fat and delusional, then strong but puny-looking (and still delusional). Forgive me if I'm not exactly shedding a tear over your hurt feelings.

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                        • #42
                          I love the definition of Novice "A person training regularly for a period of 3-9 months. This strength level supports the demands of vigorous recreational activities."

                          This describes me, and I am very happy about it. I love that after a year in the gym and 7months of eating primally, I can play a game of netball, go hiking, biking or sailing, and try new activity like standup paddleboarding. I don't aspire to more.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                            No, I'm not calling you a liar. I'm saying that women look fairly unimpressive in terms of muscle size regardless of their actual strength. That is, unless they take performance enhancing drugs. To even suggest that you can build muscle lifting dogs, feedbags and hay bales if you are a woman must be an insult to someone like you, who lifts heavy barbells multiple times every week and have little to show for it (relatively speaking).
                            You obviously only view muscles in terms of being jacked. You realise not all people have that perspective? A few weeks ago I was with some male friends, and when I picked up a water jug, one of the guys exclaimed that I had "guns". They asked me to flex! I'm not a big girl by any stretch of the imagination, but proportionately my muscle definition is noticeable. Although I suppose these mens' perspectives wouldn't count in your opinion because they don't deadlift, ha.

                            Putting the shoe on the other foot - I have a male friend who is tall, slim, and has natural muscle definition without doing much exercise (he cycles and plays tennis). He's not jacked by any degree, but he looks strong and has a great body in my humble opinion. It's not all about the bulk!
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by heatseeker View Post
                              We're simply talking about our ability to build muscle RELATIVE TO OTHER WOMEN.
                              Originally posted by happybunny View Post
                              this thread is talking about muscle size RELATIVE TO OTHER WOMEN.
                              That's exactly what I thought this thread was about.

                              We women are told all the time not to worry, we won't bulk up if we lift weights. We're shown pictures of these jacked women. Don't worry, you won't turn out like this, they plead. Okay, okay, we get it. But then we're also shown pictures of women with abs and visible muscle, just not really big steroid ones and we're told it takes years and years of hard work and special diets and only a few will ever get that much muscle. Okay, okay, I get it. I'm not going to look like that after 3 months in the gym. On and on they go trying to reassure us we won't get muscles, we'll stay smooth and soft and feminine. They'll show pictures of women who just look normal, no visible muscles, see? This will be you. The message ends up being "work as hard as you can in the gym, you won't get visible muscles unless you are a freak or practically live in the gym, you'll stay feminine and soft, don't worry." And we go in there prepared to work hard and not really see much for the effort.

                              And then we find out, at least some of us, that it really isn't that hard to get some definition. A couple months lifting really puny weights that barely put me into the "novice" category and I can feel a rock-hard muscle where once there was only old-lady bingo wings. I can see a shapely hamstring where once there was a concave empty space. Hell, there's even a faint outline of abs under my significant layer of belly softness. My waist is the same, my thighs are larger. A bicep bump flashes briefly when I just move my arm up and down. What is that if not muscle?

                              I'm still a soft and feminine slightly overweight woman and yet putting on some visible muscle was not difficult. Not like they led me to believe. Think what I could do if bodybuilding was an actual goal of mine?

                              Am I claiming it's ridiculously easy to end up like a bodybuilder without even trying or look like a man and lift manly-sized weights? Not at all. Just saying I don't find growing new muscle to be nearly as hard as they tell us women it is. There are some women on this forum who complain bitterly about how hard it is to gain muscle. They can even lift more than me. I don't find it to be that hard.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                              • #45
                                The truth is that some women find it easy to gain muscle relative to other women.

                                This was always true of myself.
                                Even before I started working out with gym equipment, and I was just doing farm work, both the men/guys around me noticed that I was a lot more muscled that other girls... and believe me the girls noticed too!
                                I caught hell for it from some of them.
                                I was made fun of.
                                Once a girl asked me if I had been in an accident because me "neck was all swollen". WTF. Traps. I was wearing a cute new scoop neck shirt that accented them too much. I never wore it again. This was way before being a "fit" girl was acceptable.

                                No, I was NOT fat. I had noticeable definition.
                                Large shoulders, traps, arms... and much larger/stronger legs.
                                I beat many a high school classmate GUY at arm wrestling, and had bigger guns than some of them.
                                Out leg pressed 3/4's of the football team... all but the biggest guys on the line.

                                All I can attribute this to is genetics.
                                Heck... I gained muscle easier than my own brother who was only a year ahead of me in high school at the time.
                                I got more of my father's wide shouldered build.
                                My father builds muscle incredibly easy as well... has massive upper body for a little guy, and was a gymnast.

                                It's kind of like my husbands legs and calves...
                                My husband has EPIC calves. They are popped! There is definition.
                                But basically... he was just born with those calves.
                                I'm incredibly jealous of them.
                                He has never worked them a day in his life. Seriously.
                                He has had like 3 knee surgeries in the past two years and doesn't do much more than walk any more... and his calves are still picture perfect.

                                This is why you can put 10,000 kids into a swimming pool and only one can ever be Michael Phelps.
                                Because that's how he is BUILT.
                                Genetics.
                                A kid who is built wrong for swimming can try his little heart out, but won't ever win an olympic gold medal.

                                Some people, including women, can build more muscle than others.
                                Some can gain muscle with relatively little little effort (in accordance with their gender)...
                                Some are willowy little people who can work and work and make only the tiniest gains with the greatest efforts, this applies even to men.
                                Genetics.
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