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    I have been doing starting strength for about 7 months before 'injuring" my back about 1-2 months ago. Most likely due to improper squat and deadlift form (butt rising too early). I wanted to keep a bit of volume in my training so I pickup up p.h.a.t (combination of strength training and bodybuilding). I continued to do leg press in order to keep as much muscle as possible in my legs. However right now I'm recovered from my back pain and I have started squatting and deadlifting again with proper form (I hope). But now I'm doubting between going back to SS or doing my own version of p.h.a.t. Which is basically also doing press, bench, squat, and deadlifts 3x5 3x a week but just on separate days and with some other exercises like dumbbell bench press, press, bent over rows, leg press etc. afterwards.
    What do you think? Go back to SS or keep doing what I'm doing now.
    well then

  • #2
    You can probably do nearly anything and make good progress. You're at that age. If you want to get the most possible out of it, many of us like Starting Strength for novices like yourself.
    The Champagne of Beards

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    • #3
      Like RichM said anything that is done with good intensity will get you results. I think once you have a feel for how you respond to strength training you can monkey around with making up your own program. Just be a real stickler on your form no matter what. Though shalt not hurt thyself lifting weights... It's a commandment cause I said it in my Old Testament voice.

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      • #4
        How much weight have you gained? How much food have you been eating? How many pounds did you add to your squat? How is your recovery....after 7 months you should be moving into an advanced novice program...assuming you've been eating.

        You can do accessory work with SS as well.
        "Go For Broke"
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        Small Kine-168/9%
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        • #5
          The only advice I can give is to start light, and progress regularly by small increments. I used to always want to load the bar beyond what I should be lifting.

          Starting light gets you practiced in the correct technique, and it is the progression that makes you stronger.
          "It's a great life, if you don't weaken.". John Buchan

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wanderlust View Post
            How much weight have you gained? How much food have you been eating? How many pounds did you add to your squat? How is your recovery....after 7 months you should be moving into an advanced novice program...assuming you've been eating.

            You can do accessory work with SS as well.
            He kept preventatively deloading and otherwise NDTP. Got to reasonably respectable numbers, but still had plenty of linear progress to make.
            The Champagne of Beards

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            • #7
              Go on the Starting Strength forums and ask Mark Rippetoe to critique your squat and deadlift form. He will probably hurt your feelings, but his advice will be superior

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              • #8
                Originally posted by quikky View Post
                Go on the Starting Strength forums and ask Mark Rippetoe to critique your squat and deadlift form. He will probably hurt your feelings, but his advice will be superior
                This guy drinks his kool aid from the same pitcher as I do, Gadsie. I vote you listen to him.
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                • #9
                  I think we all drink from Uncle Rip's fire hydrant of knowledge.
                  "Go For Broke"
                  Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
                  Small Kine-168/9%
                  Now- 200/8%
                  Goal- 210/6%

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Wanderlust View Post
                    How much weight have you gained? How much food have you been eating? How many pounds did you add to your squat? How is your recovery....after 7 months you should be moving into an advanced novice program...assuming you've been eating.

                    You can do accessory work with SS as well.
                    I gained 45 pounds in those 7 months or so. However that's from anorexic to 170 lbs. I'm pretty sure I should it eat more. But the reason I'm only eating at at a slight surplus is because of the little sleep I get. If sleep is so important to building muscle, then eating more doesn't make sense to me since my body won't be able to turn it all into muscle anyway. So, U'm gaining weight. But not at an ideal rate
                    well then

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by quikky View Post
                      Go on the Starting Strength forums and ask Mark Rippetoe to critique your squat and deadlift form. He will probably hurt your feelings, but his advice will be superior
                      He will move my form check to another section, unfortunately
                      well then

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                      • #12
                        So you're 215 now? That's sounds pretty legit, how tall are you again?

                        Most importantly how big is your squat? And are you able to add at least 5-10 pounds/week doing SS. If you are then keep doing what you're doing. If not, AND you're eating enough, and getting a reasonable amount of rest, THEN it might be time to change your program.
                        "Go For Broke"
                        Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
                        Small Kine-168/9%
                        Now- 200/8%
                        Goal- 210/6%

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Wanderlust View Post
                          So you're 215 now? That's sounds pretty legit, how tall are you again?

                          Most importantly how big is your squat? And are you able to add at least 5-10 pounds/week doing SS. If you are then keep doing what you're doing. If not, AND you're eating enough, and getting a reasonable amount of rest, THEN it might be time to change your program.
                          No, he started out at like 130 and went up to 175. And he was successfully completing the lifts every time he added 5 lbs, but kept deloading because he didn't feel that it was easy or his form was good enough, despite my repeated admonitions.
                          The Champagne of Beards

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                          • #14
                            HAHA that's a whole different story lol. I vaguely remember the argument about deloading.

                            Well sounds like SS is/was working, so keeping doing it. Minus the deloads. Warm up sets should have good technique, when you're close or at your max it's never going to look perfect.
                            "Go For Broke"
                            Fat Kine-230/24% @ 6'2"
                            Small Kine-168/9%
                            Now- 200/8%
                            Goal- 210/6%

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                              No, he started out at like 130 and went up to 175. And he was successfully completing the lifts every time he added 5 lbs, but kept deloading because he didn't feel that it was easy or his form was good enough, despite my repeated admonitions.
                              Well I listened, but I injured my lower back. Not saying it's your fault, just saying that being careful while adding weight is apparently useful.
                              well then

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