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  • #16
    I welcome Zumba, pilates, jazzercise or whatever "fitness-trend" that keep as many unserious people away from the squat-rack and the free weights as possible! Fat middle aged out of shape woman in ridiculous Rosa thighs that cannot do a single push-up on their knees even if their lives depended upon it, will be far better off by staying away from the bench press and do some bodyweight exercises instead. Or they can go and do this:

    TV Carnage - Shape Up With Jazzercise - YouTube
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
      I welcome Zumba, pilates, jazzercise or whatever "fitness-trend" that keep as many unserious people away from the squat-rack and the free weights as possible! Fat middle aged out of shape woman in ridiculous Rosa thighs that cannot do a single push-up on their knees even if their lives depended upon it, will be far better off by staying away from the bench press and do some bodyweight exercises instead. Or they can go and do this:

      TV Carnage - Shape Up With Jazzercise - YouTube
      at least these woman are not sitting on their couches.
      Don't be such an ass.

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      • #18
        I dance Zumba to my heart's content. Don't tell me Zumba is nothing. I do it high and plyo-like, and jogging between songs. With my kid. My calves feel it more than calf rises. Yes, I did calf rises back when I did Ultimate Diet 2.0 workouts. 4x a week...

        I also lift 3x a week. A combo from 4 Hour body of Max and Failure on 5 main lifts.
        Swing kettle bells.
        Jump rope.
        Swim.
        X-Country ski in the winter.
        Skate in the winter and roller-blade in the summer.
        Run & run sprints in the summer.
        Carry my 50 to 60 lbs kid and belay her up the climbing wall.
        Sometimes I put on a DVD with a kick-boxing workout.
        I stretch - too inflexible to call it yoga.
        I also walk whenever I can, which is basically every day.
        I stand in the office.
        Whenever I am travelling or has no better idea I would run a HIT on an elliptical.
        And I dug in my garden for years, moving sod and soil...

        Sometimes I take sleeping, gorging and resting over any form of anything.

        I think I tried learning boxing too, along with belly dancing. Did step. Even taught a few classes.

        I dunno why a post about accepting other people's ways of moving starts and keeps on with the dissing? Moving is good, feeling your body dance, lift, swim, swing, rest - all good, all great, all wonderful.

        And if you have never tried Zumba, I dare you to get a class with a truly great dancer, and let go of your prejudices, let your hair down and you might just have fun. It's as Primal as can be, particularly if the dancer does a mix of tribal, urban and latin. It's f'ing FUN. Last year our rec center had Zumba on the parking lot with like 9 dancers leading for charity, it was a total hoot.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
          at least these woman are not sitting on their couches.
          Don't be such an ass.
          lol....I was about to say I think this thread is actually dedicated to remarks like that gorbag.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Leida View Post

            I dunno why a post about accepting other people's ways of moving starts and keeps on with the dissing? Moving is good, feeling your body dance, lift, swim, swing, rest - all good, all great, all wonderful.

            And if you have never tried Zumba, I dare you to get a class with a truly great dancer, and let go of your prejudices...
            If you read my post again, you might find I never dissed Zumba or expressed specific opinions about it. I said I really don't want to do it.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
              lol....I was about to say I think this thread is actually dedicated to remarks like that gorbag.
              Word.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                at least these woman are not sitting on their couches.
                Don't be such an ass.
                If the ignorant instructors of those women had been interested in really helping them they had prescribed some bodyweight exercises at least for the first six months before occupying the bench and the squat rack. But to be fair to the Rosa tights woman, the most annoying group in my gym at the moment are the skinny kids doing dumbell exercises in front of the mirror, making it very dangerous to pass them with those lightweight dumbells flying in all directions! Why can’t somebody lure them into doing Cross-Fit instead, would have been much better for everybody…
                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                - Schopenhauer

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                • #23
                  Yes but not everyone wants to lift weights.
                  Moving, is more important than not.
                  Why do you care so much?
                  And CrossFit is also not for everyone.
                  Its all about doing what you enjoy. They clearly enjoy Zumba, its not for me, but I am not going to make fun of anyone for doing it.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                    If the ignorant instructors of those women had been interested in really helping them they had prescribed some bodyweight exercises at least for the first six months before occupying the bench and the squat rack. But to be fair to the Rosa tights woman, the most annoying group in my gym at the moment are the skinny kids doing dumbell exercises in front of the mirror, making it very dangerous to pass them with those lightweight dumbells flying in all directions! Why can’t somebody lure them into doing Cross-Fit instead, would have been much better for everybody…
                    Most personal trainers/instructors are not really passionate about their job - they don't really care if you succeed or not. Similarly, most gym goers are not really serious about their workouts, most just drag themselves there to try to lose some weight, or just exercise without any real goals or purpose. So, when you combine the two, often times the workouts are inefficient.

                    That said, doing some dancing to music, or pilates, or whatever other gym class, is still much better than not exercising. If you're making your body move on a regular basis, you've already taken the first step towards better health, regardless of how great the routine actually is.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by quikky View Post
                      That said, doing some dancing to music, or pilates, or whatever other gym class, is still much better than not exercising. If you're making your body move on a regular basis, you've already taken the first step towards better health, regardless of how great the routine actually is.
                      This. Actually there is a book kinda about this The First 20 Minutes: Surprising Science Reveals How We Can: Exercise Better, Train Smarter, Live Longer: Gretchen Reynolds: Amazon.com: Kindle Store . What it boils down to is do just about anything that gets your blood pumping for about 20 minutes and reap the rewards for improved health.

                      "Almost all of the mortality reductions are due to the first 20 minutes of exercise, which drops your risk of premature death by 20%. (If you triple that minimum level, you drop your risk of premature rate further, but only by another 4%). However, this is true if you're looking for health benefits, but not if your objective is fitness."

                      We all (I think at least in part) are exercising to be healthy. Well I am. I also exercise for fitness, but when choosing a program simply to be healthier its nice to remember "just move".

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Ayla2010 View Post
                        Yes but not everyone wants to lift weights.
                        Moving, is more important than not.
                        Why do you care so much?
                        And that's also exactly my point if you bothered to read what I said; that I welcome everything that can keep people from doing things that they are not really prepared to do anyway. You don't need to lift weights for fitness, especially people that are terribly out of shape, bodyweight may then be a better option for the first months with some cardio. Or "dance therapy", "Zumba", "Aerobics" or whatever that raises your hearth rate and improve some strength. I am NOT against those activities at all, rather we should have more of them, just not for me, but that's me only...
                        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                        - Schopenhauer

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                        • #27
                          GOrbag is a douchebag. I took up Starting Strength because my lady aerobics "pump" class was absolutely KILLING me every single week and I was sick and tired of being always so cripplingly sore I couldn't even use the toilet. There only ever was one guy in my class that ever came back a second time, either. The rest simply couldn't do it, the weaklings.
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #28
                            What the hell are Rosa tights?

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                            • #29
                              Thank you for insulting me sbhikes, not the first time either. Did you think I had YOU in mind or are you only reading other stuff into what I am saying as usual? I am refering to persons that comes directly from a life as a couch-potato that hardly can do a pushup from their knees, that these people will do much better on a program of bodyweight exercises instead of doing benchpress with a broomstick or an empty 11 lbs bar. Weighttraining is simply not the best solution to start out from scratch with, some groundwork in aerobics and bodyweight will be much more optimal as you also did. In the old days when I was a kid the coaches would not let us visit the weightrom at all before we had som background in bodyweight exercises...
                              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                              - Schopenhauer

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Violette_R View Post
                                What the hell are Rosa tights?
                                Something like this, perhaps:

                                rosa.jpg
                                "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                                - Schopenhauer

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