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    I usually begin my mornings with a cup of bulletproof coffee and a nice primal breakfast, then take my dog on a 5 mile walk to serve as my 'move frequently at a slow pace". I was thinking this morning, would I burn more fat if I drank the bulletproof coffee then went on the walk, followed by breakfast?

  • #2
    Honestly, you are spinning your wheels using either methods!
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • #3
      I don't think it would make a lot of difference if you're fat adapted--and that the walk doesn't "burn" that much fat in and of itself, but is part of keeping your metabolism and hormones in good balance. Mark talks about it on a few posts--try a search on the main page.

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      • #4
        Via what mechanism? Do you think you're more "fasted" after a bulletproof coffee than after a bulletproof coffee and breakfast?
        The Champagne of Beards

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        • #5
          Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
          Via what mechanism? Do you think you're more "fasted" after a bulletproof coffee than after a bulletproof coffee and breakfast?
          Sort of since I do have some carbs with breakfast, usually a half of a sweet potato. My thought process was the my walks would burn the carbs from the sweet potato before it would burn fat. Is this not how it works?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ar0e View Post
            Sort of since I do have some carbs with breakfast, usually a half of a sweet potato. My thought process was the my walks would burn the carbs from the sweet potato before it would burn fat. Is this not how it works?
            No, that's pretty true. In the short run, you'll store the fat and burn the carbs. And eating after the walk will just result in your adipose tissue being replenished as you burn off the carbohydrates, replacing everything your walk burned anyway. It's not like you'll hold the meal in your stomach until you use up every bit as fuel. Your digestive system is not a car's gas tank.

            Now, you might say there are hormonal factors at play. And you'd be absolutely right. But while we have a wide variety of viewpoints on the exact mechanisms thereof (and I'm not about to open that can of worms), I don't think anybody would suggest that it will make a huge difference in your total body mass or composition if you put the breakfast after a walk. If we were talking a session of heavy squats or sprints, the impact might arguably be worth considering.

            I say eat/drink your breakfast when it feels best for you. Do you like walking on an empty stomach or full?
            The Champagne of Beards

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            • #7
              When should I eat in regards to my strength training routine? I do 20 mins of kettlebells 3-4 days a week. It's hard to wrap my head around some of this, I come from a low cal, low fat, chronic cardio background, and it's hard to not just revert back to my old ways sometimes.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ar0e View Post
                When should I eat in regards to my strength training routine? I do 20 mins of kettlebells 3-4 days a week. It's hard to wrap my head around some of this, I come from a low cal, low fat, chronic cardio background, and it's hard to not just revert back to my old ways sometimes.
                I'd prioritize getting the stress levels down first. Sounds like you're putting a lot of thought into minutiae. The most progress will come from following the 10 PB laws, not worrying about nutrient timing and other small details. Unless you have some really specific and tough goals (like making weight for an athletic competition, or becoming an international undertrousers model), ignore my comments above about timing your fasting/feeding around vigorous exercise.
                The Champagne of Beards

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  I'd prioritize getting the stress levels down first. Sounds like you're putting a lot of thought into minutiae. The most progress will come from following the 10 PB laws, not worrying about nutrient timing and other small details. Unless you have some really specific and tough goals (like making weight for an athletic competition, or becoming an international undertrousers model), ignore my comments above about timing your fasting/feeding around vigorous exercise.
                  Excellent point. I do tend to get a bit obsessive with small details sometimes. I gotta get those 10 PB laws tattooed on my forearm or something. I am trying to get in better shape before I go on a tropical vacation in about 9 weeks, I know I can't lose TONS of weight in that time, but I do want to make sure I'm being as effective as possible in that time. Just want to feel better in my bikini

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ar0e View Post
                    Sort of since I do have some carbs with breakfast, usually a half of a sweet potato. My thought process was the my walks would burn the carbs from the sweet potato before it would burn fat. Is this not how it works?
                    Not exactly! When walking and other low intensity activities, the body uses free fatty acids from your blood for energy and this comes either from stored bodyfat or from incoming food(=bulletproof). A very little glucose is used by the brain and this comes either from stored glycogen or from incoming food(sweet potato). So, when walking you are almost exclusively using fat and if the fat from your bulletproof coffee does not reach the bloodstream fast enough, your body uses stored bodyfat for energy and put back the fat from the bulletproof coffee into the fat depots later on! The glucose from the sweet potato will be used to rebuild glycogen in liver and muscles, and this is especially the case in the morning. It's a stubborn pseudoscientific myth that the body always prefer to burn the glucose before fat, it doesent work that way at all...
                    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                    - Schopenhauer

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                    • #11
                      I would eat AFTER the walk. You might try doing the walk even before the coffee. Then you will probably not even want the bulletproof stuff and you'll probably want a smaller breakfast.

                      I find that strength training makes me really hungry. I usually do it before breakfast. If I have some black coffee after, I can curb my appetite enough to put off breakfast until later.
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • #12
                        how to burn fat efficiently:

                        - reduce non-vegetable carbohydrates
                        - reduce total calories
                        - exercise every morning while you are in a fasted state
                        - eat everything within an 8 hour window between your first and last meal
                        - don't snack between meals
                        - reduce caffeine, alcohol consumption as much as possible
                        - sleep as much as you can without getting divorced or fired
                        - if you must cheat, consume after fasted workout session within one hour
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TheFastCat View Post
                          how to burn fat efficiently:

                          - reduce non-vegetable carbohydrates
                          - reduce total calories
                          - exercise every morning while you are in a fasted state
                          - eat everything within an 8 hour window between your first and last meal
                          - don't snack between meals
                          - reduce caffeine, alcohol consumption as much as possible
                          - sleep as much as you can without getting divorced or fired
                          - if you must cheat, consume after fasted workout session within one hour
                          How does coffee affect fat burning?

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                          • #14
                            caffeine increases cortisol: Cortisol responses to mental stress, exercise, and meals following caffeine intake in men and women

                            cortisol, stress are a fat burners enemy

                            additionally they will affect sleep quality (which helps with fat burning and managing stress)
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                            • #15
                              It's my understanding that bulletproof coffee is a breakfast supplement that allows you to shun protein and carbs until mid afternoon, which will allow you to stay in ketosis longer. I am enjoying a mug right now, and do so most mornings, but I never have it with breakfast because it is just too many calories. If your goal is weight loss, you should probably stick with either BP coffee, or primal breakfast, but not both.

                              P. S. In my experience, it takes a lot more fat to get the coffee creamy with butter than it does with cream, so a regular cup of joe for me is about 200 calories, whereas a cup of BP is around 400, which is what leads to my current disposition.

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