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    Hi folks,
    I want to tell a story. I was in the gym yesterday and overheard a few fellows talking about drugs and how the one guy wanted it. He complained his legs were too weak and that he couldn't even squat 300 lbs. The other guy was a regular sized guy (to me), but based on the conversation I some how suspected he was a user as well.

    Now I know I'm not a freaky strong guy or anything, but for a guy like me with a small frame, I think the numbers I've hit in my lifts over the years are rather respectable when compared to your average gym goer. I looked at those guys and I told them that they don't need drugs to get strong.

    I mean, I realize that nobody is going to be in the NFL, a world class powerlifter, or an IFBB pro bodybuilder, to give a few examples, while being 100% natural. But you mean to tell me that these guys, average gym goers, couldn't get half way descent bodies and numbers without using drugs?

    The thought of that really pissed me off!!! Why not just work HARD instead? You have to go to the gym anyways. If you're going to go there for as little as 2-3 hours per week, you're already there and you're time is already spent, so why not make it useful and put in some hard work? I don't understand what's the matter with kids these days.

    That's just about all I have to say. Barbells, simple routines, and hard work always worked for me. The same thing goes for diet. Put in the hard work and the muscles will come. Cut the calories and the fat will come off.

    It's as simple as that just the way its always have. You don't need super fancy gym equipment, to make rocket science out of your routine or diet, you don't need supplements, and you don't need drugs.

    Those kids made me mad. And it makes me want to work harder so that I can be strong just like I have been for years, from working hard.

    Peace!!!
    Last edited by Ripped; 01-02-2013, 01:17 AM.

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    Originally posted by Ripped View Post
    The thought of that really pissed me off!!! Why not just work HARD instead? You have to go to the gym anyways. If you're going to go there for as little as 2-3 hours per week, you're already there and you're time is already spent, so why not make it useful and put in some hard work? I don't understand what's the matter with kids these days.

    That's just about all I have to say. Barbells, simple routines, and hard work always worked for me. The same thing goes for diet. Put in the hard work and the muscles will come. Cut the calories and the fat will come off.

    It's as simple as that just the way its always have. You don't need super fancy gym equipment, to make rocket science out of your routine or diet, you don't need supplements, and you don't need drugs.

    Those kids made me mad. And it makes me want to work harder so that I can be strong just like I have been for years, from working hard.

    Peace!!!
    I agree, but most people won't listen anyway! Instead they will nitpick and obsess about all those periferic details that really don't matter, or matter very little. People are pretty good in finding all kind of excuses to avoid doing what is really important for real progress in training and/or dieting. Drugs or magic pills will do them no favour at all...
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • #3
      Short cuts to get strong, short cuts to loose weight...all part of the CW madness.
      Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
      PS
      Don't forget to play!

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      • #4
        Just to add to this, why do people spend an hour of their time in the gym doing freak'in bicep curls? I workout around 10am and there are usually only a a couple of guys in the wight room. Monday(New Years Eve) the place was packed but the power rack was empty of course. I swear every person in there was doing some kind of curl, tricep extension, lat raises. Not one person had more than 100 pounds on a bar. Those exercises have their place but to spend that much time on them is crazy. I did squats, press and a little assistance work and was out of there while most guys were still curling away.

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        • #5
          So many people just want a "magic bullet" now. They want that magic diet pill, that magic muscle workout, the magic way to get 6 pack abs. Tell them to eat clean and exercise and they just roll their eyes. That's too hard.

          I see people that would rather have gastric bypass surgery or take drugs with side effects to the heart than just eat clean and exercise. It's baffling. And sad.
          High Weight: 225
          Weight at start of Primal: 189
          Current Weight: 174
          Goal Weight: 130

          Primal Start Date: 11/26/2012

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          • #6
            There is an herbal supplement that I just heard about. It melts away fat. You take one and you get a one pack. Take six and, you guessed it....

            ....having said this, my biggest issue is not supplement envy, or fuckarounditis. It is just lack of full on follow through and consistent application over the course of months. It is a lack of doing the hard work. Got a big job, got a young kid, so I cut myself some slack. I know what to do.....hard work, progressive over time....i just need to do it! That is what a new year is for, right?
            Last edited by OneDeltaTenTango; 01-01-2013, 10:41 PM.

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            • #7
              I love my gym! I was in at 9am on New Years Eve, there were six people there total. Me and my two friends, a guy and a girl, all doing deadlifts. They also did bench press. Then there were three seniors (60+) doing barbell cleans and snatches

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ripped View Post
                The thought of that really pissed me off!!!
                I know exactly what Louis Simmons would say: "Your morals are your morals, not mine. Who am I to judge you? And who are you to judge me?" Also, their drug abuse has absolutely zero impact on your life. Why do you even care?

                Originally posted by EagleRiverDee View Post
                So many people just want a "magic bullet" now. They want that magic diet pill, that magic muscle workout, the magic way to get 6 pack abs. Tell them to eat clean and exercise and they just roll their eyes. That's too hard.
                Newsflash: You can exercise, eat according to your goals AND take steroids. I believe that's what most steroid abusers do.
                Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dirlot View Post
                  Short cuts to get strong, short cuts to loose weight...all part of the CW madness.
                  Reminds me of a line from the Lord of the Rings: "Short cuts lead to long delays!"

                  I wonder how many people end up doing more harm than good with such things (probably most), so that they take even longer to get to where they wanted to go - if they ever get there at all!

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                  • #10
                    I think our colleague's outrage is understandable. There is a certain virtue to the work it takes to mold one's body into the image one has for it. Things like steroids seem to bypass that. But those who take them might reap the praise for effort they didn't put in, and that is irksome to those who did.

                    I also think Prof. Kharnath has a point, though. The fact that others take a short cut to achieve whatever they achieve has nothing to do with the worthiness of our own achievements. Unless we are in competition with such people, and that competition stipulated that such substances not be used - for example, in a natural bodybuilding competition, or a power lifting competition which bans PED's - then what they do and what we do are separate things.

                    This doesn't mean taking steroids is praiseworthy. A thing can lack virtue, but not necessarily be the subject of moral condemnation - particularly when that thing doesn't affect others. We might feel that the person who takes steroids to get stronger achieves an inauthentic strength. And if friends come to us for advice, we would not likely tell them to take a bunch of steroids! In the end, though, I think it's more of an aesthetic condemnation.

                    That being said, we might make an exception for someone trying to test the limits of human strength, or human muscular growth potential, or something like that. Again, we might not find such an activity praiseworthy. And someone struggling to squat 300 lbs probably isn't really engaged in that activity. But as an activity for its own sake, I've often felt that there was something different about that than there is in an ordinary gym-goer looking for a short cut.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                      I know exactly what Louis Simmons would say: "Your morals are your morals, not mine. Who am I to judge you? And who are you to judge me?"
                      Please don't misunderstand me. I have no problem with drug use, but I do have a problem with kids who don't want to work hard.

                      The bottom line as I see it is, drugs are not a short cut around hard work. You can't get world class strength levels without hard work, even with drugs. If a kid can't even put in the hard work to achieve what he should easily be able to achieve naturally, then he shouldn't be even thinking about drugs.

                      And I am sure Louie would know exactly what I'm talking about. Why? Because he knows what real hard work is. He didn't achieve what he did without hard work and neither did his athletes. Putting all drugs aside, these kids are insulting guys like Louie who have trained hard to achieve what they did.

                      Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                      Also, their drug abuse has absolutely zero impact on your life. Why do you even care?
                      Again, I don't care about their drug abuse. But I do care about the lack of hard work. Why? It only makes me want to work harder. It motivates me. It affects me in a positive way. Its a mental trick.

                      Originally posted by Kharnath View Post
                      You can exercise, eat according to your goals AND take steroids. I believe that's what most steroid abusers do.
                      Right, but if you're taking drugs to reach what is easily achievable naturally, you're an idiot. Plain and simple. And from what I have read, there are plenty of experienced users who will admit and recommend that from a strategic standpoint, its stupid.

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                      • #12
                        Guys like that don't want to work hard, and often don't know how to work hard. Leave them to their idiocy and keep focused on your own goals.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Philosopher Dan View Post
                          Unless we are in competition with such people, and that competition stipulated that such substances not be used - for example, in a natural bodybuilding competition, or a power lifting competition which bans PED's - then what they do and what we do are separate things.
                          This is why I would never want to compete in a drug free powerlifting contest; these days the guys who are hitting world records in such federations are the ones who are cheating and not getting caught. They are cheating everyone else out of the belief that they achieved what they did naturally and fair when in reality they cheated their buts off.

                          But in a non-tested federation, it isn't cheating. Drug free or not, I'd much rather compete in a non-tested federation, that way I know that I'm not being cheated.

                          Originally posted by Philosopher Dan View Post
                          That being said, we might make an exception for someone trying to test the limits of human strength, or human muscular growth potential, or something like that.
                          I have no problem with that at all.

                          Originally posted by Philosopher Dan View Post
                          And someone struggling to squat 300 lbs probably isn't really engaged in that activity. But as an activity for its own sake, I've often felt that there was something different about that than there is in an ordinary gym-goer looking for a short cut.
                          This is exactly what I'm talking about. Anyone who trains hard can achieve that naturally and surpass it.

                          And this is the problem with kids these days. What has the fitness world come to these days? What ever happened to basic exercises and hard work?

                          If they want to use to become much better than they could naturally, I don't care. But put in the hard work first and get what you can naturally. Heck, they might even find that what they can achieve naturally is sufficient; I know it was more than enough for me!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ripped View Post
                            Hi folks,
                            ....
                            The thought of that really pissed me off!!! Why not just work HARD instead? You have to go to the gym anyways. If you're going to go there for as little as 2-3 hours per week, you're already there and you're time is already spent, so why not make it useful and put in some hard work? I don't understand what's the matter with kids these days.

                            That's just about all I have to say. Barbells, simple routines, and hard work always worked for me. The same thing goes for diet. Put in the hard work and the muscles will come. Cut the calories and the fat will come off.

                            It's as simple as that just the way its always have. You don't need super fancy gym equipment, to make rocket science out of your routine or diet, you don't need supplements, and you don't need drugs.

                            Those kids made me mad. And it makes me want to work harder so that I can be strong just like I have been for years, from working hard.

                            Peace!!!
                            From what I have seen, alot of your average gym goers actively avoid hard work. I am unsure if they are afraid of it, but would not rule it out. Consider:
                            Guy A walks around the gym, talks, does a few 'hard' sets of bicep curls and some strange thing he saw in a magazine, then, with little more than a ping pong ball of sweat, walks out complaining how he is a hard gainer, but is the hardest working guy in the gym. Besides, those weird primitive compound movements lead to overtraining/injury/erectile dysfunction.

                            Guy B walks into the gym and, since its leg day, decides hes going to do a death march of 20 squats (after warming up). 15 reps in he re racks the bar and collapses in a pool of sweat. 2 minutes later he gets up, and somehow, sounding somewhat like a steam train manages the extra 5.

                            Guy B would probably end up getting bigger and find his strength going up, while Guy A assumes that the squatter is actually on steroids, or has some other advantage. The fact that if Guy A worked hard he would see results doesn't even enter his mind :P
                            Primal and deadlifting my way to health (hopefully)

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                            • #15
                              My takeaway from this thread is, it's nice to have Philosophers around the forum! :-)

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