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  • #46
    Originally posted by Miscellangela View Post
    FWIW, I'd love to look like Xena, but I am not tall enough or broad-shouldered enough. So I just focus on making my 5'4" self as badass as I can. Weights help. Especially really heavy ones (cause what's the point if they're not heavy?).
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    Started eating Primal in October 2011.
    Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
    Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
    [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
      Newsflash to all the women out there: Despite what the TV and the checkout aisle magazines want you to believe, most men are simply not that picky. Not even close. Not even in the same zip code. There are men who want a trophy, but seriously, is that the kind of man you want?
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      Started eating Primal in October 2011.
      Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
      Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
      [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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      • #48
        I think women also refer to women who look like this as bulky: Hot or Not: Female Bodybuilders

        and not something they would like to look like. I wouldn't mind looking like the 5th girl (blonde, green nike shirt), or maybe the 7th (brunette, pink shirt), but some of them have much bigger arms and chest than I would ever care for.

        What do you think of these girls? How many hours a day at the gym do you think they have to spend to look like that? Do you think they do split-routines or whole body routines?
        Started eating Primal in October 2011.
        Started lifting heavy things on October 26, 2012.
        Started sugar detox: November 12, 2012
        [may or may not have been purposely before Thanksgiving]

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        • #49
          Originally posted by egrok View Post
          I think women also refer to women who look like this as bulky: Hot or Not: Female Bodybuilders

          and not something they would like to look like. I wouldn't mind looking like the 5th girl (blonde, green nike shirt), or maybe the 7th (brunette, pink shirt), but some of them have much bigger arms and chest than I would ever care for.

          What do you think of these girls? How many hours a day at the gym do you think they have to spend to look like that? Do you think they do split-routines or whole body routines?
          I would say they probably do a 4 or 6 day split, training (and eating) specifically for hypertrophy. But none of them are new to the weights. Splits only work optimally when you have worn out your linear progression gains. Until that happens, full body is the way to go because all the parts get worked more often. And let's face it, you don't need exercises specifically for teh biceptz p33k if you don't have biceps yet.

          As for looking like them, meh. The muscles are cool, but I'm not crazy about the vascularity and crazy-low body fat. I'm just happy when my larger muscle groups are defined. I can almost guarantee most of them are not that lean all year - it takes way too much obsession to stay stage-ready all year long. Not to mention the whole fake tan thing, which helps bring out the definition, but makes you look stupid in real life.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Miscellangela View Post
            Splits only work optimally when you have worn out your linear progression gains.
            Are you saying if someone does a program like starting strength, after they have hit their limits, isolation lifting would be better?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Kingofturtles View Post
              Are you saying if someone does a program like starting strength, after they have hit their limits, isolation lifting would be better?
              Only when you have absolutely exhausted it. As in, done microloading, several deloads and resets and simply do not make any progress (as in, no new weight on the bar for like, a month). Then it's time to try an SS tweak, like Texas Method or Onus Wunsler or something, and exhaust that the same way. Then if you specifically want hypertrophy, a split would work for you - but it should still include compound heavies.

              That said, plenty of people have made gains doing splits from the beginning. But it's not optimal. Very slow.

              ETA: if hypertrophy isn't a concern and pure strength is a priority, just keep going with an SS hybrid indefinitely. Keep all the main lifts and just switch out the accessory exercises when they stop working.
              Last edited by Miscellangela; 10-30-2012, 02:29 PM.

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              • #52
                Point being, anyone can have any body, it just comes down to what you're willing to sacrifice to get it.
                Please, do tell me how I can get a body like those BB women. So far for 3 years I lifted heavy (5x5, 3x5, Madcow, Wendler), starved, bulked up and cut, Leangained, cardio'd, did HIIT, bootcamps, get certified as a group fitness instructor, staggered macros and calories, belly danced, went to steam room, ran 4x a week, drunk dandelion tea and creatine among other things, and I am still plump. I am putting in 2 hrs a day at least for Lyle McDonald's training regimen.

                I did not run a marathon. I doubt that it's the way. Everything else I think I did. Well, I did not stripersize.

                Please, tell me, WHAT do I need to sacrifice to get THAT body??? Because I will do it. I WANT to be big and lean. HOW?
                Last edited by Leida; 10-30-2012, 03:35 PM.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by PrimalMama View Post
                  That looks like Lee Priest in a bikini. I am scarred for life now. Thanks.
                  People too weak to follow their own dreams will always try to discourage others.

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                  • #54
                    You have to get big first (no starving), then lean out. Lift heavy, skip the cardio. Lift hard, eat big and rest. Once you reach a goal (for instance, 1.5x bodyweight squat), reduce the calories, add some metcons, continue to lift heavy as you can until you reach your body fat goal.

                    Trying to get big (which requires excess calories) and lean (which requires fewer calories) at the same time is just setting you up for failure. Depending upon how "plump" you are, you may be able to recomp a bit by lifting heavy (no cardio) and eating maintenace calories. Your scale weight wouldn't change, but your body would draw on some fat stores to provide energy as long as you're eating enough for muscle recovery (maintenance). But this only works to a point, especially for women, and doubly especially for women over 35.

                    The girls in those pictures most likely do bulk/cut cycles, but that can be counterproductive if incorrectly managed. Go for recomp first, then prioritize.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Leida View Post
                      Please, do tell me how I can get a body like those BB women. So far for 3 years I lifted heavy (5x5, 3x5, Madcow, Wendler), starved, bulked up and cut, Leangained, cardio'd, did HIIT, bootcamps, get certified as a group fitness instructor, staggered macros and calories, belly danced, went to steam room, ran 4x a week, drunk dandelion tea and creatine among other things, and I am still plump. I am putting in 2 hrs a day at least for Lyle McDonald's training regimen.

                      I did not run a marathon. I doubt that it's the way. Everything else I think I did. Well, I did not stripersize.

                      Please, tell me, WHAT do I need to sacrifice to get THAT body??? Because I will do it. I WANT to be big and lean. HOW?
                      No pics.... but if you are still plump, you just gotta try harder

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                      • #56
                        I have decided it's dumb to try to go for a look unless figure competition or body building competition is your goal. The only thing you should try to do is become stronger. If you try to become stronger, you will build muscle and bone to protect your health as you get older. It turns on beneficial hormones and whatever else in your body. It builds confidence. It makes you able to do more things physically. And, if you aren't completely broken, your body should just take care of itself and become the best it can be.

                        I decided to start lifting weights because I got tired of being sore every time I did anything. I want to have real and lasting strength. I don't want to be a cripple whenever I clean my tub.
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                          I have decided it's dumb to try to go for a look unless figure competition or body building competition is your goal. The only thing you should try to do is become stronger. If you try to become stronger, you will build muscle and bone to protect your health as you get older. It turns on beneficial hormones and whatever else in your body. It builds confidence. It makes you able to do more things physically. And, if you aren't completely broken, your body should just take care of itself and become the best it can be.

                          I decided to start lifting weights because I got tired of being sore every time I did anything. I want to have real and lasting strength. I don't want to be a cripple whenever I clean my tub.

                          Aha! See, you get it now.

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                          • #58
                            Who says I didn't? I started with core fitness classes 10 months ago. Well, not counting the fact that I could already out-hike 99% of the people out there. I had to start somewhere.
                            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                              I have decided it's dumb to try to go for a look unless figure competition or body building competition is your goal. The only thing you should try to do is become stronger. If you try to become stronger, you will build muscle and bone to protect your health as you get older. It turns on beneficial hormones and whatever else in your body. It builds confidence. It makes you able to do more things physically. And, if you aren't completely broken, your body should just take care of itself and become the best it can be.

                              I decided to start lifting weights because I got tired of being sore every time I did anything. I want to have real and lasting strength. I don't want to be a cripple whenever I clean my tub.
                              And that's why I am doing my particular combo of bodyweight (Convict Conditioning) and KBs (Viking warrior Protocol) - I want functional strength with muscle stamina.

                              It also helps relieve the pressure from work.

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                              • #60
                                I greatly doubt any woman is afraid to look like that:
                                Crohn's, doing SCD

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