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    Seems like a great guideline to follow but whats the best way to track exercise calorie expenditure?
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      I think it's a stupid guideline. I think it's only meant as some sort of short-cut to avoiding "chronic cardio." Everybody labels any kind of cardio/endurance activity with the broad stroke of the "chronic cardio" brush around here. But if you do 10 thousand calories a week of slow movement it won't hurt you. Believe me, I've done it, and when I was doing it I felt like I was doing what humans are truly supposed to do. Of course, some of us like endurance activities more than others, so there's a personal thing going on there. But as long as your cardio is not done at a high level of exertion it's good and healthy.

      Anyway, that's not really a very good answer to your question, but my tl;dr; answer is that it's just a short-cut to get people to stop killing themselves on the elliptical at the gym.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
        But if you do 10 thousand calories a week of slow movement it won't hurt you..
        To be fair, he did say in the post:

        Originally posted by Mark Sisson
        Not all activity “counts” toward your caloric expenditure. Taking a 30-minute stroll to the store doesn’t count as focused work. Taking a 60-minute hike up in the hills does. Going for a nice relaxing ride on the bike around the neighborhood doesn’t count, but doing twenty miles in a single day does. Carrying the groceries from the car to the house doesn’t count; carrying the groceries from the store to the house just might, though. “You know it when you see it” applies here, so use your better judgment.
        So that kinda gets him off the hook I think. He's not telling people to stop walking if they get over 40 miles on their pedometer on Saturday night.

        If anything, I think the post should end some of the chronic cardio fear. In that example he gave, the guy went for a 6-mile run and a 13-mile bike ride on top of his more Primal-endorsed activities.

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        • #5
          who's honestly going to track the calories they burn exercising? very hard to do, for one, and a huge waste of time. i wish mark hadn't put some arbitrary number on it. when he does this with numbers, like with respect to his carbohydrate curve, it gets a bit stupid.

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          • #6
            I am already dreading the influx of exercise calorie counters and the arguments over what counts, how to count, and so on, and the primal purity police decrees over what is really PB exercise and what will kill us all.
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            • #7
              It's even stupid to say you have to limit hiking up hills to no more than 4000 calories a week. Some of us do really well with tons of endurance exercise, including hiking in the hills. I'd say that it's plenty human and natural to walk a long distance in the mountains.

              This is being discussed over on the Barefoot Ted huaraches group.
              https://groups.google.com/forum/?fro...es/LwB7Y7IKw1c
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ollie View Post
                Seems like a great guideline to follow but whats the best way to track exercise calorie expenditure?
                That's actually a pretty high calorie burn. That equates to 570 calories burnt through exercise a day. For me a 5'4" 130lb female, that's 50-100 minutes of exercise (depending on intensity). I don't know about anyone else, but I have a life outside of the gym and generally only aim for 30min 5 days a week.

                Fat loss should come from diet anyway. Tracking exercise calories is pointless.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Owly View Post
                  I am already dreading the influx of exercise calorie counters and the arguments over what counts, how to count, and so on, and the primal purity police decrees over what is really PB exercise and what will kill us all.
                  on the flip side, if you create a paleo specific calorie burnt counter now you will rake in some dough
                  beautiful
                  yeah you are

                  Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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                  • #10
                    50-100 minutes of exercise isn't that much. It takes me 50 minutes to ride my bike one way to work. So that's 100 minutes right there. Then I will usually do something on my lunch hour, so there's another 60 minutes (or more since I don't punch a clock). I don't do this every day, but I could if I would get my butt out of bed early enough every day, which I don't. It doesn't feel like much and it doesn't even feel like it is taking a huge chunk of my day. I'll usually do a good 3-6 hour thing on the weekend, too.
                    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jakey View Post
                      who's honestly going to track the calories they burn exercising? very hard to do, for one, and a huge waste of time. i wish mark hadn't put some arbitrary number on it. when he does this with numbers, like with respect to his carbohydrate curve, it gets a bit stupid.
                      I did when i was was doing it wrong. I was attempting to force my krebs cycle to stay engaged all day long. sadly no one told me that my brain simple wasn't going to cooperate.

                      HITT center for VOX2 test, BMR testing. run the number, get a heart rate monitor, stay connected all day long and eat 500 calories less than i burned each day


                      for 6 grueling months

                      not a damn thing changed for me.

                      sigh
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by quelsen View Post
                        I did when i was was doing it wrong. I was attempting to force my krebs cycle to stay engaged all day long. sadly no one told me that my brain simple wasn't going to cooperate.

                        HITT center for VOX2 test, BMR testing. run the number, get a heart rate monitor, stay connected all day long and eat 500 calories less than i burned each day


                        for 6 grueling months

                        not a damn thing changed for me.

                        sigh
                        Hey, Quelly - Have you read the potato threads in Nutrition Section? Interested in trying?

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                        • #13
                          So, know one really knows
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ollie View Post
                            So, know one really knows
                            How do you define "the best way" to track calories burned? The most exact is probably the double labeled water method. But oxygen consumption and heat generation is a lot more practical. Of course, thermodynamics allows us to calculate caloric expenditures by comparing caloric intake and bodyweight changes - which are both much easier to assess than caloric expenditures (holy shit, did he just say calories in vs. calories out?)

                            The real question is: What makes you think 4000 kcals per week is a great guideline? Personally, I think it's a total facepalm.
                            Yeah, my grammar sucks. Deal with it!

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                            • #15
                              Fair enough.

                              I just think its a good guidleine. Nothing definitive.

                              I actually think its a good starting point, and each person could see if they thrive on more or less.
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