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    So I found out that AZ Combat Sports is super cheap, so I will finally be able to fulfill my (small dream) of getting to do some serious martial arts...just not sure which one I want to do more. I'm leaning toward Muay Thai. Anyone have any opinions/advice?
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  • #2
    Are you looking to compete or just for fun? MMA is a lot more diverse though, depends on what you like.
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    • #3
      I did muay thai for almost 3 years and it's ridiculously awesome. I've never done MMA but I did train brazillian jiu-jitsu for about 6 months and that too was a lot of fun. MMA comprises more than those two, but no MMA fighter enters the ring/cage without Muay thai and bjj training so I feel like I can give an opinion on this one... tough choice really. Theoretically, you'll be exposed to plenty of Muay Thai techniques in an MMA gym, while also learning BJJ so that might be the way to go to be more well rounded? a pure Muay Thai gym has a certain air and culture about it though that to me is very appealing. Maybe watch some pure Muay Thai videos* and compare them to MMA fights and try to think of what you'd enjoy more... either way both will be a very grueling workout and a lot of fun.

      * do a youtube search for "channel 7 muay thai" for lots of great fights straight from Thailand. For MMA videos obviously look at the UFC, Strikeforce, etc which should be very easy to find.
      Last edited by iniQuity; 09-18-2012, 01:28 PM.
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      • #4
        Yeah, MMA is appealing to me because it offers a bit of everything. I feel more like I would prefer to have less grappling though, hence the preference toward Muay Thai. If I ever got somewhat good, I would LOVE to compete--I did kung fu and some krav maga, and they were great, but I always wanted try and compete, and that wasn't offered in those disciplines. Not sure what the percentage is out there of female fighters though, I feel like there's more in MMA than Muay Thai.
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        • #5
          In general there is a lot more MMA fights than Muay Thai.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Clymb View Post
            Yeah, MMA is appealing to me because it offers a bit of everything. I feel more like I would prefer to have less grappling though, hence the preference toward Muay Thai. If I ever got somewhat good, I would LOVE to compete--I did kung fu and some krav maga, and they were great, but I really want to try and compete. Not sure what the percentage is out there of female fighters though, I feel like there's more in MMA than Muay Thai.
            Grappling is amazing, I think had I more time I would explore more of that world. I got chocked by a 110lb girl in less than a minute, so I think for a female it may be worth it to learn some of those techniques should you ever need them in a real life scenario (though opinions vary as to how effective that all would be if somebody just punches you in the face... but still, better safe than sorry)

            Keep in mind also that if you go the MMA route, you could still compete in muay thai/boxing, but if you went just muaythai the inverse wouldn't be true because you'd have no wrestling or ground game at all.

            Alternatively, you could sign up for a month at each gym (I'm assuming we're talking different gyms here) and then decide.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
              Grappling is amazing, I think had I more time I would explore more of that world. I got chocked by a 110lb girl in less than a minute, so I think for a female it may be worth it to learn some of those techniques should you ever need them in a real life scenario (though opinions vary as to how effective that all would be if somebody just punches you in the face... but still, better safe than sorry)

              Keep in mind also that if you go the MMA route, you could still compete in muay thai/boxing, but if you went just muaythai the inverse wouldn't be true because you'd have no wrestling or ground game at all.

              Alternatively, you could sign up for a month at each gym (I'm assuming we're talking different gyms here) and then decide.
              Hmmm, good points! I didn't know you could still compete in Muay Thai if you're doing MMA. And no, it's all at one gym--they offer all different things, and from what I've read, they're supposed to be one of the best gyms out there and they're actually affordable.
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              • #8
                Oh, well if it's all on one gym can't you do more muay thai than the grappling side? or do they separate the two strongly for some reason? I would do like one day BJJ, 2 days muay thai if you were to go 3x/week
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                  Oh, well if it's all on one gym can't you do more muay thai than the grappling side? or do they separate the two strongly for some reason? I would do like one day BJJ, 2 days muay thai if you were to go 3x/week
                  Not sure, guess I could check it out. I just know they have the Muay Thai class and the MMA class and some wrestling class. But yeah I guess if I could mix it up that would be a good idea.
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                  • #10
                    The is no other workout in the world like grappling. Plus, you can count it as play time also. MMA should give you a taste of both and if you prefer to just to stand up, you can always switch to the Muay Thai class.

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                    • #11
                      Well if you're looking to get serious then focus on what you're worst at. If I remember correctly muay thai is mostly striking so that would be good if your striking is weak whereas (if the matches I've seen are any indication) mma seems to be a bit more focused on grappling.
                      Personally I've never really like grappling, you're really stuck if the person happens to be better than you and you're rolling around on the ground. Kick someone, jump back and wait for an opening. Then kick again. The only time you go in to strangle them is when you know that they can't possibly beat you.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Clymb View Post
                        Hmmm, good points! I didn't know you could still compete in Muay Thai if you're doing MMA. And no, it's all at one gym--they offer all different things, and from what I've read, they're supposed to be one of the best gyms out there and they're actually affordable.
                        Every gym I've ever been a member of offers both for a slight upcharge. That's what I always did, just alternating workouts as I saw fit.

                        I haven't done a dedicated MMA class, but I did Muay Thai and BJJ for years. For me personally, Muay Thai was better for conditioning, and BJJ was more challenging mentally and physically (meaning, BJJ was harder for me due to the fact that I was not really physically well suited for it -- I'm not strong, flexible or fast, so I was always at a bit of a disadvantage). I really love both, but I haven't been able to do either for quite a while now. With 3 kids, it's hard to work that much time into the day between work and gym, so I started working out at home.

                        A lot of it will depend on the particular classes they teach, and who the instructors are. I know we had some Muay Thai instructors who did basically a cardio kickboxing class with some technique work thrown in, and then we had some who did a long, brutal conditioning class followed by sparring. Similarly, we had BJJ instructors who would work us very hard in the warmups, and then others who were more focused on technique. The latter were more prevalent in my gym, which is why, for me, MT was better for conditioning.

                        An MMA class might be the best of both worlds, or it might not be as good as the other two by themselves. If you want to compete, you should be able to get amateur MMA fights or Muay Thai smokers within reasonable distance from your gym, so my advice is pick the one you like the best.
                        Last edited by David Garner; 09-19-2012, 04:50 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Alex Good View Post
                          Well if you're looking to get serious then focus on what you're worst at. If I remember correctly muay thai is mostly striking so that would be good if your striking is weak whereas (if the matches I've seen are any indication) mma seems to be a bit more focused on grappling.
                          Personally I've never really like grappling, you're really stuck if the person happens to be better than you and you're rolling around on the ground. Kick someone, jump back and wait for an opening. Then kick again. The only time you go in to strangle them is when you know that they can't possibly beat you.
                          Hehe, so you say "focus on your weakness" but if you're bad at something you shouldn't do it? also, and I'm not looking to start shit, but how do you figure the "only time" to strangle someone is when they can't possibly beat you? better guys/gals get choked, it happens - it's not the norm, but it happens.
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                          • #14
                            I think for men, better to focus on striking. In real life you never ever ever want to go to the ground, because if the guy you are fighting has a buddy who shows up late, and you are on the ground (even if you are winning) you are dead meat.

                            For women, I would recommend the opposite. Most of the time a woman is going to need to defend herself will likely be scenarios where someone is trying to get her on the ground. If I had daughters, it would be BJJ or Judo for them. My boys, however, will be focusing on more of the striking arts.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by adamm View Post
                              I think for men, better to focus on striking. In real life you never ever ever want to go to the ground, because if the guy you are fighting has a buddy who shows up late, and you are on the ground (even if you are winning) you are dead meat.

                              For women, I would recommend the opposite. Most of the time a woman is going to need to defend herself will likely be scenarios where someone is trying to get her on the ground. If I had daughters, it would be BJJ or Judo for them. My boys, however, will be focusing on more of the striking arts.

                              Now if it is for sport (as it sounds like), do whatever is the most fun

                              --Me
                              I will respectfully disagree with you. Anyone with a decent ground game can get inside and take someone down. Almost every fight (real life) ends up on the ground at some point and having the advantage or at least equal footing on the ground is key. Except in rare cases (Chuck Liddell), someone with good wrestling/ground work will beat a pure striker in a street fight.

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