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  • #16
    Originally posted by ecole66 View Post
    Yup, you may not suffer the effects for years put plyo work and olympic style lifts take their toll over the years. I talk with several older gentlemen at the gym and they all suffer from tendinitis and sore joints in general from years of that kind of stuff. The book Body By Science covers this quit well.
    It depends on how you use them. If you specialize in them or don't take the time to strengthen your connective tissue (or any type of prehab), of course you'll end up with overuse injuries. If you train smart and use plyos and Oly lifts as part of a well-rounded program, you're less likely to end up injured.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by ecole66 View Post
      Yup, you may not suffer the effects for years put plyo work and olympic style lifts take their toll over the years. I talk with several older gentlemen at the gym and they all suffer from tendinitis and sore joints in general from years of that kind of stuff. The book Body By Science covers this quit well.
      So does a lot of fun stuff, really. And the aches and pains of inactivity are worse. I think plyo work and oly lifts are fun, and I like developing more than just strength (and I'm really not training for size). I did a lot of plyo stuff when I was doing martial arts, and I still think it can be a good part of a program for me now.
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      • #18
        Speaking of plyos, Coach Wade is supposed to be coming out with Convict Conditioning 3 next summer, where he'll focus pretty heavily on them.
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        • #19
          Originally posted by Owly View Post
          So does a lot of fun stuff, really. And the aches and pains of inactivity are worse. I think plyo work and oly lifts are fun, and I like developing more than just strength (and I'm really not training for size). I did a lot of plyo stuff when I was doing martial arts, and I still think it can be a good part of a program for me now.
          If you enjoy them then do them, I'm not trying to change your mind. I have seen the damage they do and choose to avoid them. I also train in HIT fashion and a lot of people disagree with that and that's okay. I am a 46 year old man with a business to run and a family to play with so time and mobility are very important to me. I do not train because it is fun, training is a means for me to enjoy activities with my kids and be an example to them. I spend less than an hour a week in the gym working extremely hard and then get the hell out. That's me though and I understand that others may feel otherwise.

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          • #20
            I'd prefer bodyweight to the Smith machine, but you can certainly use the Smith machine to do some of your lifts.

            I don't think it's compatible with Stronglifts 5x5. I'm doing that program now, and one of its chief benefits is all of the lifts work your core due to having to stabilize the weight yourself. The Smith machine takes that away in large part, and I don't think you'll see the same gains nor get the same benefit out of it. If you are lifting with a Smith machine, IMHO, you will need to supplement with some core exercises to get anywhere close to the same benefit. If you're going to do that, I'd just pick a few lifts for the Smith machine and concentrate most of your work around things like pullups, pushups, planks and other ab work, and any other exercise that will effectively work to strengthen your core.

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            • #21
              Smith Machine is great for the reverse pull-up and calf rises. Sissy squats, too. You can stretch against it. For a good lifting program, you need a proper rack.

              SL 5x5 is fantastic. It has very simple, very efficient set-up. The only thing to watch out for is that point when accumulated fatigue from doing huge amount of sets with heavier weight starts stalling you and switch to 3x5 in time, and then to an intermediate program. Once you stalled out on a lift for a month or so, it is a good point to evaluate if you have exhausted the beginner linear progression and are ready to reduce the sets in order to keep strength gains.
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              • #22
                We have a similarly outfitted fitness center where I work. I use it at lunch time because it's convenient. They also only have a curl bar and a Smith machine along with some other weight machines (a cable machine plus various stack machines) dumbells, kettle bells, and medicine balls. Along with the standard cardio stuff. I've been using the Smith machine for Australian pull ups and incline pushups. It basically looks like they outfitted it from a secondhand shop.

                it looked like they were going to install something for TRX about 2 months ago, but I heard them say it was the wrong piece of equipment or something and that hasn't panned out. I'm a little disappointed because I do have TRX straps that I use at home.

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