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    Hi all! I have been observing some of the before and after pics. There certainly are some amazing transformations. But I have noticed several of the people look rather emaciated, kind of like how long distance runners look. Gaunt, I guess. The arms appear to have no definition whatsoever.

    As a personal trainer, this leads me to believe there is a lot more walking and sprinting going on as opposed to lifting heavy things. Not that I want to see big, bulging muscles, but I do think some definition looks fabulous. I would think grok and his lady would look a little more buff than emaciated due to their lifestyle.

    Has anyone else noticed this? As a trainer I run folks through all kinds of upper body programs with great results (per what the client wants) . Myself, I am a total mesomorph body type and if I do much beyond pushups and pull ups I begin to get too big and bulky. I can easily punch out 20 pushups and am working on improving my pull ups. Love it makes me feel strong!

    What is your upper body routine?

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    I'm boring. I can do a one-armed chin-up per arm after I've rested for a few days. Otherwise, I usually bang out a set of 20 pull-ups, and then subsequent sets that are usually something like 15, 10, 8, and a pitiful, but SLOW REP 1 or 2 last rep. Pushups, I drop and do a set of thirty, keep walking, drop and do a second set of thirty, keep walking, and after the second set my numbers go down, slowly. I also swing on the rings like an orangutan. A lot. And do hand-over-hand horizontal pole movement, and whatever spontaneous movements occur to me. Plyometric dips are a favorite, basically just down, up and throw myself into the air at the top. Really works the lats.

    I lift two dumbbells, 55 pounds each, symmetrically, squat to lift, stand straight, and do three or four reps, from neutral grip at the side to supinated at the top, slowly lower the weights, do some shrugs, maybe a farmer carry, squat to put them back down when my forearms are telling me I'm about to drop the darn things, repeat.

    I bicycle a lot, and have been afraid to sprint since reading about heart injuries.
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #3
      Upper body, I do pullups and dips. Whole body, I do back squats.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by ms sage View Post
        Hi all! I have been observing some of the before and after pics. There certainly are some amazing transformations. But I have noticed several of the people look rather emaciated, kind of like how long distance runners look. Gaunt, I guess. The arms appear to have no definition whatsoever.

        As a personal trainer, this leads me to believe there is a lot more walking and sprinting going on as opposed to lifting heavy things. Not that I want to see big, bulging muscles, but I do think some definition looks fabulous. I would think grok and his lady would look a little more buff than emaciated due to their lifestyle.

        Has anyone else noticed this? As a trainer I run folks through all kinds of upper body programs with great results (per what the client wants) . Myself, I am a total mesomorph body type and if I do much beyond pushups and pull ups I begin to get too big and bulky. I can easily punch out 20 pushups and am working on improving my pull ups. Love it makes me feel strong!

        What is your upper body routine?
        Can you give examples of people you think look "gaunt?" I haven't really felt that way, but I haven't spent too much time in the b&a's.

        It's definitely a quicker process to take off fat than it is to add muscle mass. I'd posit that someone who was starting out very out of shape might have to go below their optimal weight and work back up. And that they might post their skinny photos because of the (rightful) sense of accomplishment they feel at having lost a lot of "bad" weight, even if they haven't achieved a modern ideal of fitness.

        In other words, I would like to see your sources, but even if they show what you suggest, I don't think your assumptions (that they're doing more walking & sprinting than LHT) are reasonable.
        The Champagne of Beards

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        • #5
          Walking and sprinting alone won't cause someone to look emaciated. In fact, walking isn't demanding enough to cause a muscle breakdown for fuel and sprinting actually stimulates growth hormone production. Some people don't lift weights, that's true...and as a fellow personal trainer I believe that most people would look better with about 10lbs more useful muscle mass...but it is a bit of an unfair judgement to assume these people "should" look a certain way. They may only be on the first steps of their journey. A lot of people start with just the diet, lose a lot of weight, then go on to start adding muscle. The purist form of this lifestyle requires a lot of changes, and not everyone is going to jump in head first...or ever immerse themselves completely. We are trying to get healthier first, and look better second (and who's to judge what 'looking better' means to someone else, anyway?).
          Josh Vernier, CPT

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          • #6
            Currently, pullups, chinups, pushups, and dips, mostly. I was doing Crossfit but had to take the summer off because I couldn't afford the fees. I need to do more handstands and such for pressing movements.

            I don't think my arms look emaciated or definitionless at all. My most recent photo is a bit fuzzy because of the cellphone camera, but to me the muscle is still visible even unflexed.

            I guess I'm not sure which photos you're referring to where people look emaciated?
            “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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            • #7
              Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
              Can you give examples of people you think look "gaunt?" I haven't really felt that way, but I haven't spent too much time in the b&a's.

              *snip*

              In other words, I would like to see your sources, but even if they show what you suggest, I don't think your assumptions (that they're doing more walking & sprinting than LHT) are reasonable.
              I feel like a lot of people have a distorted view of healthy, though I will admit I did get thinner than I wanted, and have been working hard to put on muscle. It's a bit of a tough transition for formerly overweight people to realize that they need to eat more. I didn't have much muscle under the chub, and I have to focus on eating a lot in order to add mass (in conjunction with heavy lifting, of course).

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              • #8
                I don't focus on upper body, more of a whole body kinda guy.
                Working through the upper levels of convict conditioning so lever pushups, uneven/towel pullups, handstand pushups, two and one arm hangs, pistol squats, leg raises etc. I also throw in some kettlebell and sandbag work.
                Throw in some walking, biking, hiking, scrambling, sprinting and climbing I am good to go.
                Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
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                • #9
                  1. I think when most people try to follow the print, heavy lifting is the most common thing people ignore.

                  2. Did you say you were a personal trainer? But you can only do 20 pushups?

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                  • #10
                    nvm. I see your a female. 20 pushups is excellent.

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                    • #11
                      Well exercise-wise I really only do shoulder press and back work regularly. I have a punching bag in my room which I hit whenever I feel the need, which is sort of a chest workout. I also tend to climb trees a lot.
                      In all of the universe there is only one person with your exact charateristics. Just like there is only one person with everybody else's characteristics. Effectively, your uniqueness makes you pretty average.

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                      • #12
                        OP here. Most of what I was referring to was related to the female before and afters. And I know many women are afraid they will bulk up. But I see a lot of (not just here) skinny yet flabby arms. I see this in my practice as well. My clients are really happy when they see their "guns " taking shape. I have yet to bulk a woman up. I have many requests to create Michelle Obama arms. Inmean no harm to anyone! Lifestyle change is a big deal and takes time.

                        So ladies, when you are out taking some walks throw in a couple rounds of pushups. Find a bench and do some tricep dips. I took my ladies only bootcamp out to the park last night and we had great fun doing hill repeats, dips and pushups off the bench, step -ups, took some resistance bands and did rows and bicep curls on the playground equipment, then some swinging for the core. BIG FUN! It was the last day of a session which began in May. The gals were all marveling over the transformation and the fact that they were stronger for doing everyday tasks such as moving furniture, carrying gas cans to the boat, and being able to squat low and stretch long for softball games.

                        To me functional fitness is the true reward and good -looking guns are a nice side effect. As I reread my post it seems as if I was focused only on the look of an individual and I apologize if this offends anyone. Happy Training!

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