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  • I Know Chronic Cardio Is Bad . . . .

    . . . . but I really enjoy logging the miles on my bike. Did 47.6 miles today in just under 3.5 hours. Not great but there were some killer hills in there.

    I am also in the middle of P90X so I am lifting heavy things also.

    Question is, how should I eat before a long bike ride like todays? Carb load the night before, or just continue with Primal diet and get my fuel from that?

    Thanks,

    Mike

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    Carb load and the primal diet should never be used in the same sentence...ever. But if you wish to pursue long endurance a primal option would be sweet potatoes before and medjool dates if you need a quick energy source during. But don't kid yourself, p90x and Distance cycling are not primal.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SeanC View Post
      Carb load and the primal diet should never be used in the same sentence...ever. But if you wish to pursue long endurance a primal option would be sweet potatoes before and medjool dates if you need a quick energy source during. But don't kid yourself, p90x and Distance cycling are not primal.
      I beg to differ. Endurance cycling can easily be done in a primal manner, part of the person's long slow distance work. As long at they stay completely aerobic the whole time its easy. Once adapted to more efficient fat burning its a very east thing to do. I will often go for 3-5 hours on water, trail mix, coconut bars and dried fruit. No hard intervals, just steady cycling keeping my HR low (Zone 1-2).

      Carb loading is a leftover from the 80's, not a whole lot of evidence its all that useful. Simply eating a balanced meal with enough carbohydrates to top off your glycogen stores is enough. You can't over-stuff your muscles with glycogen, once the stores are full, no more is going to settle into the cells, it will begin to be converted to fat. I will throw in a sweet potato with my eggs and bacon in the morning before a long day in the saddle. The pile of Pasta the night before that is still so very popular is a joke.

      Now, P90X is different, its highly anaerobic and the frequency they suggest it be done is not primal at all. I do a hard TRX session once or twice a week, but never more.

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      • #4
        So the best way to make long rides as primal as possible is to raise your muscular capacity doing heavy lifting and sprints so that your heart rate won't go berzerk when you ride up and down hills and such?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by hondo
          So the ultimate way to help to make extended voyages because primal as is possible is to boost ones buff potential undertaking hefty weightlifting in addition to sprints which means that your heartrate is not going to move berzerk once you trip around hills in addition to this sort of?
          ^^^LOL at the Spambot! I too undertake heavy weightlifting to "boost my buff potential".
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          • #6
            Yeah...I enjoy jogging. I like to get a solid hour a day in. I listen to music while doing so. I feel great. I usually eat white rice and don't feel bad because of it (it feels very clean and I just add butter+meat+veggies). I eat this afterward but I jog most days anyway (and lift heavy things a few times a week).
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            • #7
              Originally posted by highaerials36 View Post
              Yeah...I enjoy jogging. I like to get a solid hour a day in. I listen to music while doing so. I feel great. I usually eat white rice and don't feel bad because of it (it feels very clean and I just add butter+meat+veggies). I eat this afterward but I jog most days anyway (and lift heavy things a few times a week).
              Thats all fine and good but jogging an hour a day everyday is most definitely chronic cardio and you will almost certainly pay for it later in life. Doing any activity repeatedly and excessively will eventually result in overuse injuries i.e. joint damage. This in turn shortens life span. It certainly shortens ones quality of life. If you really enjoy jogging, why not do it a couple times a week and other days do something completely different?

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              • #8
                I talked to an older man I know this week who use to run a lot (he did some 1/2 marathons). He told he has some heart problems now and the doctors told him he will need a pacemaker as some point. He said if he had to do it all over again he wouldn't do all that running.

                Jeff Galloway, former Olympic marathoner, in his book talks about dong seminars on marathon training. In one of them this man asked if a person could run only once per week for a marathon and not hit the wall. Galloway didn't think it was possible. This guy then told Galloway that that was how he trained. He would put in a long run on Sunday (the only time he had) but would work up to the marathon's distance. By the time he got to the actual race he wouldn't hit the 20 mile wall. Point being, it isn't necessary to run multiple times per week. This guy was only running 4 times per month.
                Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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                • #9
                  I spent 21 years in the Air Force. Chronic Cardio ruled. It was drilled in our head to do 60 minutes of cardio every day--jogging, treadmill, aerobics classes, whatever.

                  After 21 years of this, I was nearly disabled. Bad joints, bad health in general. I have been retired now for 9 years, primal for two years. My joints and health have improved immensely. I took running up again this summer...I run 2 miles every Monday. Just once a week. Light jog/walk first 1/2 mile, flat out run 1 mile, then walk/sprint last 1/2 mile. Takes less than 20 minutes. I feel better and better every week.

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                  • #10
                    Chronic cardio definitions vary by the individual. One person's chronic cardio could be another's move slowly often.

                    Re: carb loading, of course you can carb load primally. Primal isn't lo-carb unless you choose that pattern of foods, for instance if you are trying to lose weight. Sweet potatoes are full of carbs, no?

                    In my experience you'll get better info on questions like this on exercise boards and blogs (then you must tailor the advice to primal foods) than on MDA, where there are a jillion different interpretations of how much is too much and when to eat what for different fitness goals.

                    Good luck!
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                    • #11
                      How old are you Mike? Bottom line is the younger you are the more you can get away with....well chronic anything. So if you love it have at it. Sweet potatoes and rice are staple carb loader foods in Primal, but you could experiment with fueling your workouts with fat also. Taking coconut oil just before a ride and bringing some with.....stuff like that. This may be of interest to you for fueling with fat The interplay of exercise and ketosis

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                      • #12
                        According to Mark its not Chronic Cardio unless your heart rate is over 70% of max heart rate. Jogging is fine if you can keep your HR between 55 and 70%, for most deconditioned people this would be a brisk walk. Getting 3 to 5 hours of low heart rate training in per week is ideal whether its walking, hiking or jogging, just keep the intensity below 70%.
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                        • #13
                          Well Neckhammer I hit 50 years old this past May. Started the primal lifestyle in late June or so. I have dropped 30# using MFP to track calories, doing P90X, cycling. My ultimate goal is to get my body fat to the mid-teens, currently around 20% according to my home scale. I know it isn't all that accurate but considering I started at 26.6% I think that is pretty good progress.

                          The other goal I am training for is to ride the Pan-Mass Challenge next year, pedaling 195 miles in two days to raise money for The Jimmy Fund. Our youngest son was treated there as a young child for a brain tumor so it is a cause that is dear to my heart.

                          I am using a BLUE HR bluetooth heartrate monitor with my iPhone to track heartrate so I should have no issue maintaining 55-70% of max.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by otzi View Post
                            I spent 21 years in the Air Force. Chronic Cardio ruled. It was drilled in our head to do 60 minutes of cardio every day--jogging, treadmill, aerobics classes, whatever.

                            After 21 years of this, I was nearly disabled. Bad joints, bad health in general. I have been retired now for 9 years, primal for two years. My joints and health have improved immensely. I took running up again this summer...I run 2 miles every Monday. Just once a week. Light jog/walk first 1/2 mile, flat out run 1 mile, then walk/sprint last 1/2 mile. Takes less than 20 minutes. I feel better and better every week.
                            That could have also been caused by inflammatory food choices.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                              That could have also been caused by inflammatory food choices.
                              I only logged 4 years in the AF, but I agree on both. The chronic cardio was pounded in, as was "healthy eating," a.k.a. CW crap that's passed off as food...
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