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  • #16
    Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
    Get out there and breathe some fresh air. I can't stand gyms. Shit music, shit people doing shit machines, air conditioning drives me insane. I honestly can't think of a worst place to work out than a regular American gym.
    COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

    Anyway. I grew up in PA and spent a few years going to school in Maine so I absolutely understand the "necessity" that comes with an indoor environment and subsequently, a 'dread' mill. But honestly, why would anyone who follows primal, paleo, etc subject themselves to that environment willingly? Agreed. Weak argument dude.

    Regardless, from what I do understand a treadmill significantly alters your stride, running form and muscle performance (the difference in propelling yourself against the ground versus having the tread propel you) and would highly suggest not running on it too often.

    Finally, trust me when I understand your bias for keys and junk in your pockets when working out. I too hate such things and strive for minimalism as well. I magnet my keys to the wheel well of my car when I go for a jog somewhere backwoods and still haven't truly found out a solution to the headphones/phone thing - but honestly, you probably won't miss the music/podcasts as much as you think.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Thor Falk View Post
      Maybe you shouldnt be running in barefoot shoes... Not sure how old you are, but I found that running in Vibrams is not my pair of shoes if you excuse my pun. Sure, I might have the wrong technique, and over time I might get there, but more likely I'll get myself an Achilles tendonitis from h+ll first (which happens to be my weak spot).

      What I am doing is that for long runs I wear my good old trainers. I wear my Vibrams for other sporty stuff, and sometimes for sprints. I might reconsider the whole thing in a year, but there is really no point risking foot injury - tendons heal very very slowly
      Interesting that you brought this up. I'm currently nursing a foot injury as we speak from running too hard and fast with the most minimalist version of the Vibrams I owned (was on a deployment, someone stole my shoes, long story I had to revert to the pair I typically do low impact stuff in like lift).
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      • #18
        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
        I live in Ardmore right outside of Philly. It's nothing but busted and crooked sidewalks, lots of pedestrians and traffic lights everywhere.
        I remember my days in Philly back in 2001-2002. I lived at 42nd and Walnut for a year and I frequently took the bus/el to work on South Street and ran back in the wee hours of the morning when everyone was walking back to their homes/dorms hammered.

        Personally, I loved the urban jungle and the running experience there. I used to ride my bike all over that city, crashing into cars and people.

        A lot of what you mentioned regarding numbers and tracking is applicable since the main city blocks in Philly are approximately .10 miles, makes it easy to keep track of how far you've run (front street to 40th is approximately 3.7 miles depending on route.)

        Again, just going to mention, there are plenty of people in that city who hate running in the urban jungle that is Philadelphia, and even I remember plenty of trails to run on within city limits. Even more, as you creep out a few miles, plenty of suburbs and little places to run along the river.

        Gist of what I'm saying is, if you love running and the outdoors, while it might take a little extra work and planning there are plenty of places in and around Philly for you to explore with your feet.

        If you enjoy the gym environment, so be it! That, and the fact that if you're feet are fine on trails and other outdoor surfaces and the treadmill is really the only place that gives you pain...
        Last edited by bemental; 07-27-2013, 11:34 AM.
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        • #19
          try setting up a video on that side and see what occurs just b4
          When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
          27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
          new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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          • #20
            Try running barefoot on the treadmill, and see if it still hurts that part of your foot. If so, you know it's not the Vibrams.

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            • #21
              Strong 2 year bump. Hopefully he has it worked out by now.

              On another note, my left foot has more issues than my right with my Merrells in terms of fit, and can be annoying if I put them on at the wrong "angle." Right foot: Totally fine.

              Laces are also way tighter on my left foot because the shoe is more loose. Thanks Merrells for making me realize my other foot must be a 1/2 size off

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              • #22
                My merrell barefoot thingies are great. None of that separate toe business. Light, flexible, hardy. Grip isn't so good though.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kyle46N View Post
                  Try running barefoot on the treadmill, and see if it still hurts that part of your foot. If so, you know it's not the Vibrams.
                  I'm all about the experimentation, but do we really think its the shoes?
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                  • #24
                    I observe many guys in Vibrams pounding the hell out of the treadmill with horrible heel striking and thud-thud-thud so loud it echos through the gym. I'm betting they don't do nearly as bad with their stride on regular ground. I think there's something about the treadmill.

                    Check out the guys over at Barefoot Ted's Huaraches Google Group and see what they have to say about it. You can search their group. The subject comes up a lot.
                    https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/huaraches
                    Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                    • #25
                      My podatrist told me that he is seeing quite a bit of injuries from running on hard surfaces in Vibrams. I only run in them on grass. I have no problems using elliptical in Vibrams.
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                      • #26
                        I have never understood the hype around Vibrams! Either I run barefoot at the beach or I use special shoes for running or when lifting I use hiking boots when training lower body and barefoot when deadlifting...
                        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                        - Schopenhauer

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                        • #27
                          My gym forbids lifting in socks, and we have no sand to run on, lol. Vibrams also provide really good grip/balance, so sprints are not scary or if grass is a bit wet. For lifting, good luck finding lifting shoes in a store for a girl, but Vibrams are right there and you don't feel like you are falling down on a squat no more.

                          I also feel like I am falling when I run sprints in orthotics-enhanced shoes, but no problem in Vibrams. I have to wear orthotics because my feet got screwed up from running in normal running shoes after about a year. Feet hurt less to walk in Vibrams too. When I retire and we move away from the harsh climate, I will likely wear Vibrams year-round.
                          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Leida View Post
                            My podatrist told me that he is seeing quite a bit of injuries from running on hard surfaces in Vibrams. I only run in them on grass. I have no problems using elliptical in Vibrams.
                            Yesssssssssss...... you need my special orthotics to run on hard surfaces correctly. Muahahahahhahaha!

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                            • #29
                              If you never hurt 24/7 I don't expect you to get it. My feet still do, but at least the doc made walking tolerable. Orthotics do provide relief. So do Vibrams, but not when running on the hard surfaces. It sucks, and, yes, I should swim more, run less, but logistically running is easier.
                              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                              • #30
                                I was actually saying that in my best "evil podiatrist" voice. Hmmm. Wonder what that would actually sound like..... Don't mind me, I'm just goofin.

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