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  • What am I doing wrong? Still struggling with fat loss and fatigue :'(

    Hi Cavemen/Cavegals,

    Sorry if this is in the wrong place but I thought this would go best under fitness.

    The Problems:
    I've been on the paleo diet since May of this year but I don't know what I'm still doing wrong.
    I am always tired, my mind's so cloudy and it's hard to stay awake when I need to concentrate.
    My energy levels are so low. Sometimes when I'm too tired, I have a short to 90 minute nap in the afternoons.
    Not too long ago I thought my obliques were love handles but have since been told otherwise by my GP and friends who are into health. There's something wrong with my stomach, I can't tell if it's fat or if it's behind my ab wall. When I flex I can see my abs clearly, when at rest the outlines of my abs are just visible. It looks bloated, but I don't feel bloated.

    What I do/am doing:
    I strength train everyday, except most weekends, and get enough sleep 6 to 7.5 hours. I've read about the 90 minute sleep cycles so I wake myself up only after having completed a full 90 minute sleep cycle so I'm not a zombie when I wake up. I sleep before 11PM and wake up around 5AM.
    I was also training Muay Thai for 2-3 hours in the evenings on weekdays, which I was doing since late last year but stopped a month ago. Muay Thai would incorporate a lot of Ab workouts. I have since added ab workouts to my strength training routine every 2nd day.

    What I eat:
    For breakfast I usually have 2 eggs filled with a cup of egg whites (I love eggs but I'm trying cut back on as much fat now as I can). Either a few pieces of Chicken or left over beef. I also have 1/2 a big can of tuna. On some breakfasts I would eat Cornbeef (the one I eat has no Carbs according to nutrition info label), I love my corn beef but I try to limit it as much as I can.
    Depending on how big my breakfast was, I usually don't get hungry until Dinner. But on the days where I'm hungry at lunchtime I eat a few pieces of fruit first then have 2 eggs, the other 1/2 of the tuna I had for breakfast and maybe another few pieces of either chicken or beef.
    At Dinner I'll eat at least one piece of fruit, A garden salad, either Pork Chops or a beef stew and the other 1/2 of the tuna I had for breakfast if I'd skipped lunch.

    About Me:
    I'm 24 years old.
    I have a lot of muscle, when my legs are shoulder width apart my inner thighs can actually meet/ are in contact because I squat quite a lot for my bodyweight and have a lot of muscle on my legs. I've read that belly fat is the last place for men to lose fat and I believe this to be true in my case but I've had this problem for a while now. My exercises were the same prior to the caveman diet but I still feel fatigue and lack a lot of energy. I have always trained since I was a teenager but have only started training more seriously from around this time last year.
    Even before the paleo diet I wasn't 100%, I was as fatigued as I am now and had more body fat especially on my face, neck, arms and parts of my upper body. Since eating caveman style I've lost a lot of fat and the only fat that remains is on my belly. I was 78Kgs at the start of the year, now I average 67.5Kgs.
    I drink a tall glass of water before my meals, sometimes two so I know I'm getting enough water.
    I've had a lot of breaks from training to see if I just needed rest, the longest being one month but still would be feel as fatigued and it just made it worst for me because training was the only thing that made happy/feel good.

    What I've tried:
    I've tried sleeping longer, no effect.
    I've tried multivitamins, no effect.
    I stopped training a few times for a month, as mentioned earlier but no effect.
    Blood tests are normal.
    Cholesterol's normal.
    Testosterone levels are just a little higher than average but still within in normal limits.
    Blood pressure normal, basically had every test GP could do for me and all was normal.
    CT scan/MRI of body and head are normal.
    I'm just at a loss here, I've tried everything and anything I could think of.

    I think that's aboot it, I hope I've provided as much detail as I can.

    I just don't know what happened to me. From child to teen hood, I was pretty hyperactive. I had unlimited energy, I just could not sit still and now I barely have enough energy do things I used to do quite easily.

    If anyone's been in the same situation as I have please help... or Mark or one of you Senior people who might know how to help me.

  • #2
    Sleep Apnea

    This may not be the situation and it usually occurs in people that are overweight but you might have sleep apnea. I was diagnosed for it a few years ago and had to use a CPAP machine to actually get some real sleep. I was tired all the time and couldn't figure it out. I had a sleep study performed and was diagnosed with it. After I started working out again and dropping the extra 60 lbs I had gained I don't have to use it anymore. It's just an idea but you might want to check it out.

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    • #3
      The most obvious things I see are way too much strength training and not enough fat in your diet. Try primal blueprint fitness for awhile, and eat more saturated fat so your body can trust you to provide it. I have been told that the sprinting part of PB fitness is a big visceral fat burner.
      Crohn's, doing SCD

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      • #4
        My initial thoughts are where are your vegetables and why are you severely restricting the fat.

        Are you seriously doing strength training every day and 2-3 hours strenuous exercise 5 days a week on so little food ? if so I'm not surprised your low on energy if that's all your eating as your poor body must be really struggling to cope.

        I'd suggest that you stop worrying about fat in proper foods ie I'm not a fan of eating it for the sake of it but eat beef, pork, lamb, salmon, eggs etc so you body is are getting some naturally even though you cut the visible fat off. Slowly up your carbs by eating low starch veggies and berries to at least 50g then twitch depending upon your results as you'll probably need at least 150g of carbs a day for that level of exercise - higher starch veg etc would be good for that if necessary.

        You'll need to try something for a week - see the results then twich the next week as nothing will be instantaneous but hope it helps.

        Btw - are you preparing yourself for a competition or something - just wondering your thoughts behind your existing regime ?
        Last edited by Solldara; 09-13-2011, 04:22 AM. Reason: Clarified 150g of carbs a day
        1st June 11 to 30st Aug 11 - 36lb removed in 13 weeks
        Messed about on and off for the rest of the year

        June 2012 - Had the practice - now time to do it for real

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
          The most obvious things I see are way too much strength training and not enough fat in your diet. Try primal blueprint fitness for awhile, and eat more saturated fat so your body can trust you to provide it. I have been told that the sprinting part of PB fitness is a big visceral fat burner.
          This. Check out Rabbit Starvation, where low-fat and low-carb together leads to malnutrition, including fatigue.

          Also, you are probably overtraining. Where is your recovery time?

          Recommended sleep is 8-9 hours a day, not 6-7.

          Remember that this way of eating is for health. If you are trying to cut below 8 or 10% body fat, you may have to resort to some non-primal tricks.

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          • #6
            When my work levels go up, my dietary balance looks more like the Zone vs. low carb to maintain energy. Robb Wolf has stated the Zone Diet is exceptionally good, but, extremely complicated. But, the simple tweaks keep my energy levels up, etc.

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            • #7
              I agree with the other posts here: you're overtraining, missing your vegetables, skimping on calories (especially fats), and getting too little sleep -- ESPECIALLY with that training load. I'm surprised you can sit up long enough to type your question!

              Try a "week off". Eat more, sleep more and don't train (or just a little movement to keep your body happy). If at the end of the week you're feeling better then you know the advice here is on to something and you can start better eating/training/sleeping from there.
              Life is short: Void the warranty.

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              • #8
                You are training too much! I have done the same, I had to take a break from training for 2 weeks! Now I feel fresh and awesome again. You can try to upp your fat and continue training as you do, if that doesn't work you will have to cut back on your training! Trust me on this one!
                Visit my website about fitness and health, would love some input .

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                • #9
                  + 1 to pretty much everything above. I'd suggest adding coconut oil to a good portion of your meals. Just mix some in (liquid) with your salmon or fry up your eggs in some (and then pour the left overs over the top).

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                  • #10
                    I might as well chime in. Primal/paleo is NOT LOW-CARB. Especially not for athletes. But you should heavily skew your carbs to vegetables. What's with all the fruit? There is absolutely no reason to cut back on fat or restrict yourself to mostly egg whites. There isn't much nutrition in what you're eating, dude: you need nutrition. Eat some liver, some heart, healthy fats, and whole eggs. Sardines and salmon. Fish oil. Hell, take a swig of olive oil.

                    Adequate rest is essential. Sheesh, I get up between 4:30-5:30 too -- but I start thinking about going to bed around 7 pm and am only up past 9:00 if I'm out doing something fun. "Sleeping longer" doesn't count for much if you're not sleeping *well*.

                    I'm also going to add some skepticism about your meat sourcing. When you say
                    On some breakfasts I would eat Cornbeef (the one I eat has no Carbs according to nutrition info label)
                    I have to wonder if you're eating canned corned beef? Forget about the carbs - check the ingredients. I'll assume they'd make any primal eater shudder, so: Make your own. And I suppose you're eating white-meat (mass produced) chicken and lean lean (factory farmed grain-fed) beef. You need to branch out to meet your body's nutritional needs.

                    I would keel over and die on the regimen you've outlined. I hope you'll take the advice of everyone in this thread, and if not please don't call what you're doing primal. It's missing basically all of the key aspects, so read from the start and reconsider. Good luck!
                    "If man made it, don't eat it." ..Jack LaLanne
                    "It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are.
                    If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." ..Richard Feynman

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                    • #11
                      Essentially, what everyone else has said. You need more fat.

                      The body can convert energy from carbs or fat, if you've taken both away, your body has no source of energy.

                      I tried to transition to paleo four separate times and failed because I went low carb and low fat.

                      Once I realized that was a recipe for disaster, I tried again with a new diet that was much higher in fat, and I'm rarely hungry. There was a bit of drowsiness as I transitioned but overall I feel great.

                      My original attempts were all with chicken breast and salads and they made me sick. Now I get ten whole eggs a day and a pound of 80/20 ground chuck. It's about 200g of fat per day.

                      "Trying to cut out fat" is conventional wisdom and is decidedly not what Mark recommends. Don't feel bad if you missed that fact, because I did too. Cut out BAD fats, but nice saturated animal fat from beef and pork is not just OK, it's downright required.

                      I'm a big fat guy, started at 309 on August 15. I'm down to 290. I'm never hungry. I roll out of bed each day early. And the only days I've gained weight is where I experimented with new things.

                      Eat all your eggs whole. I buy crates of 7.5doz eggs from Sams for $11. I spent the first two weeks not draining my ground beef, but I could feel that it was too much, so now I cook and drain it. That's $2.78 a pound.

                      Essentially as a currently unemployed person I'm eating for $4.69 a day, shedding weight, feeling fantastic, and most importantly eating fat.

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                      • #12
                        + 1 on everyone's input. Also, I think you should get a saliva cortisol/DHEA test performed. You may have overtrained/underslept your way into adrenal fatigue. If this is the case, you're going to have to make some lifestyle changes.

                        Here is a saliva test kit for cortisol/DHEA:
                        Adrenal Stress Evaluation
                        http://www.prettyinprimal.blogspot.com

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                        • #13
                          My God, man! Your body is desperate for some freaking carbs!! Where is your sweet potato?!?! Where did you ever get the idea to eat like you are?!

                          And why are you training every single day??!! That is definitely not Primal. There's also a good chance you've blown your adrenals out from the constant stress you've put yourself under with your over-exercising, based on the description of how you are feeling, and the low carb is only exacerbating that.


                          Originally posted by beachrat View Post
                          I might as well chime in. Primal/paleo is NOT LOW-CARB. Especially not for athletes. But you should heavily skew your carbs to vegetables. What's with all the fruit? There is absolutely no reason to cut back on fat or restrict yourself to mostly egg whites. There isn't much nutrition in what you're eating, dude: you need nutrition. Eat some liver, some heart, healthy fats, and whole eggs. Sardines and salmon. Fish oil. Hell, take a swig of olive oil.

                          Adequate rest is essential. Sheesh, I get up between 4:30-5:30 too -- but I start thinking about going to bed around 7 pm and am only up past 9:00 if I'm out doing something fun. "Sleeping longer" doesn't count for much if you're not sleeping *well*.

                          I'm also going to add some skepticism about your meat sourcing. When you say I have to wonder if you're eating canned corned beef? Forget about the carbs - check the ingredients. I'll assume they'd make any primal eater shudder, so: Make your own. And I suppose you're eating white-meat (mass produced) chicken and lean lean (factory farmed grain-fed) beef. You need to branch out to meet your body's nutritional needs.

                          I would keel over and die on the regimen you've outlined. I hope you'll take the advice of everyone in this thread, and if not please don't call what you're doing primal. It's missing basically all of the key aspects, so read from the start and reconsider. Good luck!
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                          • #14
                            Gosh, same thing the others said. I say this with lots of loving kindness but have you read any of Mark's stuff ? look at the basics. You are starving yourself, asking way too much of your body. Be peaceful with yourself and take good care. You are young and have a really good chance at being really healthy.

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                            • #15
                              Couple of thoughts, in case you haven't considered them:

                              - Quality of sleep. Is your bedroom completely dark? If not, are you using a blindfold? Have you unplugged all electrical devices within a few feet of your bed? Is the temperature nice and cool, say 60-68 degrees F?
                              - Timing of sleep. Try snuffing the electric lights after dusk and see if you don't fall asleep earlier, like around 8:30-9:30.
                              - Macronutrient cycling. Rather than trying to go low-fat and low-carb, try low-fat, high-carb on training days and very-high-fat, low-carb on recovery days. And maybe try a day of alcohol, high-veggie-carb and very-low-fat once in a while.

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