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    Shopping for New VFF's, here is the conversation I had at one store...

    Me: Excuse me, doy ou carry Vibram Five Fingers?

    Sales person: I have never heard of them before

    Me: They are minimalist shoes for running and training

    Sales person: Blank look

    Me: They have thin soles, no support and a spot for each toe.

    Sales person: Oh you mean those weird "toe shoes".

    Me: Yeah that's them

    Sales person; No we don't carry those.

    Me: Oh you should, they are quite popular and an effective training tool.

    Sales person: We don't carry them because there are not enough studies about them. Some people believe they are not good for your feet

    Me: What kind of studies are available on conventional footwear?

    Sales person: The toe shoes are new and any studies would not be long enough

    Me: 10,000 years of human evolution isn;'t a long enough study?

    Sales person: Blank stare....

  • #2
    There are no long term studies because the shoes are new. Simple as that.

    Now, if they had started tracking physiological impact 10 years ago, then we would have a long term study, but where's the money in that?
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    • #3
      Barefoot, or swim shoes, save yer dough.
      I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
        Barefoot, or swim shoes, save yer dough.
        word.

        i'm in north nj too, btw, that's crazy.

        i had my first VFF sighting yesterday, an old man ran past me in them; i was walking barefoot.

        i had an urge once, many weeks ago, to cop a pair of the Vibrams, but i resisted. and i feel better for it.

        going barefoot is healthier and more cost effective. i bet that old man felt like a weakling.

        HEY, you should've asked that bum at the store for the long term studies on regular shoes, since he is a mr research scientist, raking in the big bucks.

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        • #5
          Was thinking of getting some of those huarache things until I ran through about 50' of broken glass scattered across the road and sidewalk. Glad I was wearing my VFFs.

          Even if I am a weakling. I'm a weakling without stitches.
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          • #6
            It's not about being tough at all. Let's not dwell on that.

            I strive for barefoot because I truly love the feedback, I like feeling the texture and temperature of the surfaces I walk or run on. This isn't possible wearing VFFs, or any footwear really.

            I wear the swim flats when I do sprints because my feet are not yet conditioned enough for this type of activity. Maybe eventually they will be, and I look forward to that.

            Your feet are very tough, when I was 12, I jumped feet first into a community pool and landed on something that cut my foot open. I didn't check if it was a glass or raised tile, but I had a gash big enough to copulate with by a medium to small sized ween. It required stitches obviously, and the doctor had the toughest time doing them. He had to get a special type of needle, one that was hook-like and tougher, he said, because the skin was so tough and thick.

            You just have to watch your step, you shouldn't be running around without at least noticing obstacles in the horizon. I can tell if there's glass ahead, I simply won't step on it. I don't understand why that's always brought up, if you see nails and glass, move out of the way.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
              It's not about being tough at all.
              Yeah, I know. People should really think about the definition and connotations of some of the diction they use.

              Your state is true with regards to feedback, I'm sure it feels great. If you live in a place where you can do it, kick ass. Not everyone lives in a place like that. When I lived in Reno, running barefoot was a good way to get some bad burns on your feet from about April until October.

              Here in Somerville, it's a good way to get syphilis, or whatever else you get from the streets here.

              I wear the swim flats when I do sprints because my feet are not yet conditioned enough for this type of activity. Maybe eventually they will be, and I look forward to that.
              I've been trying this at a local Uni's track, the surface hurts, but it's safe. Might want to check it out.

              You just have to watch your step, you shouldn't be running around without at least noticing obstacles in the horizon. I can tell if there's glass ahead, I simply won't step on it. I don't understand why that's always brought up, if you see nails and glass, move out of the way.

              Would be great if *should/shouldn't* were realistic. Here at least. You routinely get to run through crap here, figuratively and literally. Foot cover is smart. In this case this morning, I've never seen it like that. Literally glass strewn across the width of the street and sidewalks for easily half the block. It's always brought up, because in an urban environment it's a legitimate issue. If I was in the Sierras, I'd worry less.
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              Me vs. Russian Boar, hunt is on Aug. 20th. WHAT'S MORE PRIMAL THAN THAT?!
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              • #8
                It's all good, as long we're at least striving for minimalist.
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                • #9
                  Yup.

                  Been hoping to find some snakebite proof VFF boots for hunting.
                  My Fitday public journal.
                  Me vs. Russian Boar, hunt is on Aug. 20th. WHAT'S MORE PRIMAL THAN THAT?!
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by davem View Post
                    Yup.

                    Been hoping to find some snakebite proof VFF boots for hunting.


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                    • #11
                      I have a pair of Treksports and love 'em - I give them some punishment, but the feedback is so good. I cannot do that kind of walking and running in huaraches and barefoot would be a bloodbath! I like 'em - 100 well spent! I've covered around 400 miles in them now and they're still going well. I'm off road, off track mostly.

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                      • #12
                        There's no way I could barefoot in Texas in the summer! Sometimes my feet feel WAY too uncomfortable through my Vibram's as it is! The other day it was 111. Can you imagine how hot the black top was?

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                        • #13
                          Swap you? I live in northern England - we're NEVER hot ... always raining, always cloudy. I have to say, I love that kind of weather for walking and running, but "too hot" would be fun for a while.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by freqz View Post
                            What part of snakebite proof do these fall under, and where is the rest of it?

                            Snakes can ding you all the way up to your wedding tackle if you're VERY unlucky. Generally, knee and lower.
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                            • #15
                              There's a Harvard professor doing research on barefoot running that he has been doing for a while. His website is pretty good. Not exactly sure how long it's been going on, but I think somewhere between a few and several years.

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