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    Body By Science Training Video 2 Todd Beard - YouTube

    I may give this a go......

    Anyone else familiar with this technique?

  • #2
    yes
    do it as prescribed and it will give you all the health benefits of strength training
    for a small investment of time

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    • #3
      Scott,

      Mark Sisson works out with Doug from time-to-time. While super-slow techniques may not be really "fun" compared to tossing rocks, it's supposedly a good thing to do every now and then. Mark even posted a WOW recently based on Doug's workouts.

      As long as you are lifting heavy things, it's fine to do.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by scottbushey View Post
        Body By Science Training Video 2 Todd Beard - YouTube

        I may give this a go......

        Anyone else familiar with this technique?
        Look up hight intensity training (HIT). Depending on where in Florida you're at, you can go visit Drew Baye:

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        • #5
          Give it a try. Make note of how that guy breathes. It can be very brutal. Pay attention to the rest needed. And you should be on hands and knees just like the big guy in the video. Many of us that have tried it drop it to a Big 3.
          Last edited by pyro13g; 08-14-2011, 06:36 PM.

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          • #6
            There are a lot of threads on this. People tend to feel very strongly for or against it. My personal opinion is that while it is certainly better than nothing, I do not view it as ideal. My single biggest objection is to using machines instead of free weights. Some people have adapted the principles to body-weight or free weights, which I think is a dramatic improvement.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
              There are a lot of threads on this. People tend to feel very strongly for or against it. My personal opinion is that while it is certainly better than nothing, I do not view it as ideal. My single biggest objection is to using machines instead of free weights. Some people have adapted the principles to body-weight or free weights, which I think is a dramatic improvement.
              The reason Machines are used is to minimise injury once you reach muscle failure because you are lifting such a heavy weight. If you were doing a deadlift or bench press with freeweights and you didnt have a spotter, what would happen once you reached failure half way up your rep, you would injure yourself as you wouldnt be able to hold it.

              Ive been using this HIT technique for about 1/2 a year (using machines/Cable ones for some exercises which allow better movement), Ive had better results with this than I have had with any other workout technique I have tried in the past 5 years, I was always frustrated with my gains untill I tried HIT.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by gorski View Post
                The reason Machines are used is to minimise injury once you reach muscle failure because you are lifting such a heavy weight. If you were doing a deadlift or bench press with freeweights and you didnt have a spotter, what would happen once you reached failure half way up your rep, you would injure yourself as you wouldnt be able to hold it.

                Ive been using this HIT technique for about 1/2 a year (using machines/Cable ones for some exercises which allow better movement), Ive had better results with this than I have had with any other workout technique I have tried in the past 5 years, I was always frustrated with my gains untill I tried HIT.
                How do hurt yourself failing on deadlift? You just drop the weight. I've done it more times than I can count, working with up to 500+ lbs, and never hurt myself.

                If you are benching with correct equipment(a power rack), you cannot drop it on your chest.

                At the load for BBS, you can just rest the weight on you chest and incline one end up then the other to deload the bar, it's not like it's a 1RM(if you don't have a rack).

                You can also substitute (Overhead) press for bench press, it's a better lift anyway.

                What were your previous programs?
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                • #9
                  I read the BBS book, and while I am not doing this routine, I have incorporated some of the practices and they are really working---for ME. But, I am 57 and out of shape. I was not progressing with free weights on a 3/week, or even 2/week plan. I would find myself unable to do what I had done the week before. I would have to deload and work back up to where I had been. My body simply requires more recovery time. I do NOT do the Super Slow type reps. I don't jerk around, but press steady up and down until the final set, where it gets really slow of it's own accord.
                  What I have incorporated:
                  One strength training workout per week. I do kettlebells also, but that is mainly for lower body and does not require so much recovery. Weight machines for "Big 4". I do three sets, the last one to failure. Overhead press, lat pull-down, chest press, rows. I use machines because my apartment has them in the gym, and it's free and handy. Also, I am less likely to hurt myself working out by myself. And, I am making progress. I can do more reps or heavier weight every single week. And even better, I can see visible increases in my arms, shoulders, back, and chest.
                  If you are young and full of T and HGH, or whatever, you might go bigger, stronger, faster on some other program. If I was younger with a coach or trainer, I would do Starting Strength. But for me, once a week---HARD, seems to be working well.

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                  • #10
                    I watched a you tube video by the author and one by what I'm guessing was his wife. They seemed super smart but didn't really appear super fit. I see pictures of Mark and I get inspired to go more primal. Do these guys rip their shirts off somewhere to reveal super hero bods?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by primal bill-e View Post
                      I read the BBS book, and while I am not doing this routine, I have incorporated some of the practices and they are really working---for ME. But, I am 57 and out of shape. I was not progressing with free weights on a 3/week, or even 2/week plan. I would find myself unable to do what I had done the week before. I would have to deload and work back up to where I had been. My body simply requires more recovery time. I do NOT do the Super Slow type reps. I don't jerk around, but press steady up and down until the final set, where it gets really slow of it's own accord.
                      What I have incorporated:
                      One strength training workout per week. I do kettlebells also, but that is mainly for lower body and does not require so much recovery. Weight machines for "Big 4". I do three sets, the last one to failure. Overhead press, lat pull-down, chest press, rows. I use machines because my apartment has them in the gym, and it's free and handy. Also, I am less likely to hurt myself working out by myself. And, I am making progress. I can do more reps or heavier weight every single week. And even better, I can see visible increases in my arms, shoulders, back, and chest.
                      If you are young and full of T and HGH, or whatever, you might go bigger, stronger, faster on some other program. If I was younger with a coach or trainer, I would do Starting Strength. But for me, once a week---HARD, seems to be working well.
                      Im only 25, Ive been doing this High Intensity Type workout as perscribed in BBS for about 6 months now, only going to the gym once a week, and Im getting better results from it than I was on any other program going 2, 3, 4 times a week like I was before, I actually see results like you do whith this once a week program, Although I saw results with the other programs I did in the past It was not compareable to HIT, and I was never satisfied, this is the first program Ive tried and Im fully happy, and Ive gotten some friends onto it aswell, and theyre getting great results too, also since Its once a week for me, I ahve so much more time for everything else!
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                      • #12
                        Ive been following body by science for about a year now. Its also worth checking out mike Menzer as he was the one who instigated all this. First thing that happened when starting body of science was half a stone of muscle increase in about 2 weeks. And as ive progressed I brought in the primal diet which made me lose a lot of fat. The combination of the two has given me fantastic results with a single session a week at the gym.

                        Also the comment earlier on dropping the dead lift bar. That is fine but with the use of machines it enables you to get them last few negatives in. Which do make all the difference. Also the principle of body by science can be used with free weights. Its just machines are safer and work to the natural rotation of the body's joints, so all the effort goes into the strength training,without worrying about balance,form ect

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Apex Predator View Post
                          How do hurt yourself failing on deadlift? You just drop the weight. I've done it more times than I can count, working with up to 500+ lbs, and never hurt myself.
                          In many gyms you would get thrown out if you routinely dropped your weight. I don't think that's a good thing - as far as I'm concerned every studio which offers barbells should also provide an area where you can use them properly, but it is how it is.

                          Originally posted by Apex Predator

                          If you are benching with correct equipment(a power rack), you cannot drop it on your chest.
                          Again, many studios don't offer a power rack for bench pressing.

                          Originally posted by Apex Predator

                          At the load for BBS, you can just rest the weight on you chest and incline one end up then the other to deload the bar, it's not like it's a 1RM(if you don't have a rack).
                          You'll use about 75-80% 1RM - that's heavy enough to be dangerous *if* you truly go to failure.

                          Originally posted by Apex Predator

                          You can also substitute (Overhead) press for bench press, it's a better lift anyway.

                          What were your previous programs?
                          Better for what? Certainly not for training the chest, since in the overhead press you're effectively moving from the chest to the triceps/delts/traps.
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                          • #14
                            mike,

                            ohp with elbows moving forward as opposed to out to the side uses a lot of upper(clavicular) pec

                            benches with the elbows in use exactly the same muscles in a different ROM

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                            • #15
                              I'm interested in reading, learning more about it, but I don't plan on returning to a gym anytime soon so I doubt I would do this as they want you to (with machines, etc) I have however been doing really slow and heavy negatives for long before I heard of BBS. I first learned about slow heavy reps, static holds, etc from a calisthenics forum.

                              My question to people that do BBS, what type of soreness do you experience and how soon after a really taxing workout could you go back into the gym and train again if you wanted to train more than once a week and your subsequent workout was NOT a BBS style workout?? i hope the question is clear enough. How soon after do you feel fresh again? I like to work out, it's a hobby of mine, I couldn't see myself only doing it once a week while I have the time and desire to do it more often.
                              I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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