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  • I love and restrict fruit to one piece/serving per day. I eat it at the end of my dinner -- which is a full meal.

    But, I would suggest that you look into body dysmorphia, leida. I think your phrasing is exhibiting some signs. Particularly if it's all 'character flaw' that leads you to the "problem" of being 20% body fat.

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    • My understanding is that Leida wants to gain muscle and that's what she finds a major challenge. It's not merely about her percentage body fat.
      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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      • I don't have a problem and I consulted the psycologist about my views, and he did not see much abnormal behavior. I also went through the body image book that indicated that I have mild body image issues, but no-where near body dysmorphia (which is a very specific disorder, not a broad label to apply to anyone who thinks they'd benefit from losing a couple inches). I am not feeling that I have to get that look or die trying. I can and will live to the end of my days the way I am. But I will keep looking for a way to get flatter stomach and pronounced muscle, while enhancing my deltoid size without having to do anything that causes suffering.

        Potato diet: to my great surprise, my digestion voted down the potato diet on day 2. It took me almost 2 weeks to normalize. I am not sure why that happened but it will be a while before I try again (if I do; I much prefer food variety). That's not to say I won't have a boiled potato until then.

        I was for a while feeding every 3 or 4 hours, small meals, and that was pretty much the only schedule I could uphold, then two or three days ago I went into feeling comfortable with smaller breakfasts and huge gaps between meals. So, I am just doing that for now. I do not remember the last time I was happy with 2 boiled eggs and a bit of extra (creamed coconut today, olives yesterday) on the side for breakfast and a bowl of salad and a cup of meat for lunch. That did coincide with introducing fruit and almond butter dinners. Maybe it is all in the brain and my brain stopped sending the "You don't treat us nicely at all' signal, or I am settling in the new weight and start maintaining. Will see. Maybe tomorrow I will need 5 meals again.

        I love and restrict fruit to one piece/serving per day. I eat it at the end of my dinner -- which is a full meal.
        Good job. You are a better woman than me, and I wish I could do that without experiencing a severe emotional turmoil. While you eat a full dinner, you skip breakfast. I am just trying to minimize supper without setting off the depravation responce.
        Last edited by Leida; 12-20-2012, 02:32 PM.
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        • After reading many, many of her posts, I would also suggest Leida consider body dysmorphia as a possibility. I know that you've spoken to a therapist about it before, Leida, but not all therapists are skilled at dealing with body image issues in women. I think you are a beautiful woman in great shape who has amazing energy and dedication, and I wish you had more of that to give to the things you love and did not feel so wrapped up in the quest for an imagined perfection. I understand wanting to be at a healthy weight, but you are already there and I feel like this ongoing fight with yourself must be very painful.
          “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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          • Originally posted by Leida View Post
            I was for a while feeding every 3 or 4 hours, small meals, and that was pretty much the only schedule I could uphold, then two or three days ago I went into feeling comfortable with smaller breakfasts and huge gaps between meals. So, I am just doing that for now. I do not remember the last time I was happy with 2 boiled eggs and a bit of extra (creamed coconut today, olives yesterday) on the side for breakfast and a bowl of salad and a cup of meat for lunch. That did coincide with introducing fruit and almond butter dinners. Maybe it is all in the brain and my brain stopped sending the "You don't treat us nicely at all' signal, or I am settling in the new weight and start maintaining. Will see. Maybe tomorrow I will need 5 meals again.
            I would bet it's at least in part about being kinder to yourself and giving your body what it wants.

            Originally posted by Leida View Post
            Good job. You are a better woman than me, and I wish I could do that without experiencing a severe emotional turmoil. While you eat a full dinner, you skip breakfast. I am just trying to minimize supper without setting off the depravation responce.
            It's not about virtue or who is better. The emotional turmoil part of all this is what sets off alarm bells for me. If your eating restrictions cause you so much emotional distress, then that's a sign there's something unhealthy going on there.
            “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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            • Yeah... you know, I don't feel like a failure when I eat a piece of junkfood that makes me bloat and stalls weightloss. If you are having issues with your diet making you ill, you really need to disengage the emotional connection with food. I wonder if part of why fruit makes you feel badly is because you are stressed because you ate fruit.

              I have a shellfish allergy. There is no turmoil or anything- I just flat can't eat it. I eat it, I get ill. I could even die.

              It's not a contest where the one who can stick to the most miserable diet wins. I'm not envious of Zoebird's one a day fruit consumption. I actually feel bad that she has to limit herself. I'm glad she can do what she needs to be healthy though. Another example- my boss hardly ever eats and is thin, thin, thin. She is miserable. But she can reject food under any circumstance. It's neither admirable or envious.

              Leida, can you ever just enjoy food? Like dig into an awesome meal, free from nagging doubts? I can honestly tell you that until a few months ago, I could not just eat without the mental "this will make fat" calculator. In the past few months, I've been set free from that. Feels good and a lot of foods that used to "make me sick" don't anymore.

              Now... I'm a gal happy at an easy to acheive body fat% of around 25%. I know my mentality would be an epic fail trying to get lean. I need to lose maybe 20 more lbs or so, but am in no hurry. But... I am healthy and I look good, and my problem spots are not fixable with a diet.

              Leida, I hope at some point you either acheive success in getting to a low body fat% OR find happiness with your slim body and health and find a wy to enjoy food.

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              • totally agree with all these above observations. I also find that I've disengaged more from food and i have lost a lot of my perceived "symptoms" as well. So I guess some of it was actually in my head---or at least the STRESS from it was inducing unfavorable reactions. Leida, I would definitely seek out more meditation, epsom salt baths and time to just not *think and obsess about all of it all of the time...you don't seem happy.
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                • rewritten below
                  Last edited by zoebird; 12-20-2012, 07:20 PM.

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                  • Basically, no one needs to feel sorry for me, nor assert that I am egotistically asserting that I'm better than someone else because of what I'm doing.

                    Instead, I'm simply sharing what I do, I do what is easiest and most pleasurable for me, and then that's that.

                    There, that's the short version.

                    But I agree with Owly, I think another therapist is in order. The amount of emotional turmoil around food/body is greater than normal/healthy.

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                    • I don't think I am mentally ill.

                      I have never failed to make time for anything I wanted to do or had to do. Neither I am obsessing about my body image. This forum is about fitness and nutrition so I speak to that and to what I do about it and what challenges I have encountered, overcame or failed to overcome. I doubt I will find much audience to my pondering about the upsides of getting another 2 colors of x-mas cactus this year to complete my x-mas cactus collection in a thread dedicated to finding a fitness program that is the most efficient for a woman with larger thighs. (Anyone collects X-mas cactuses and africain violets here? I also branched out into hybicus a few weeks back. It has a bud, so I am all on pins and needles to see what color it is)

                      The question of how to reduce body fat while not impairing the upper body muscular development is of a great interest to me. And, yes, I experimented with a number of approaches. Don't think it makes me a crazy person, because I have abandoned every approach that caused suffering or interfered with the rest of my life. I feel that a woman at a normal weight should be able to discuss her body fat percentage without being sent for a psychiatric evaluation.

                      Anyway, did a 40 min kroll yesterday, pretty cool. I can't believe how much improvement I got with the simple tips from the 4 Hour Body. Those tips fixed the way I take the breath (I was trained to race after all), and I think all my lifting contributed to the stroke being really strong. I gotta ask my hubby to video me to see if the stroke is in a good shape (though yeah wrist was not optimal but should be Okay tomorrow). Now it is to starting work on flips & counting laps to judge improvement. I wonder if I can make it to 1.5 K mark in 30 min - that's my first goal. I am trying to figure out how much swimming could make that difference (20% of efforts giving 80% of the results in 4 Hour Body).
                      Last edited by Leida; 12-21-2012, 08:24 AM.
                      My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                      When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                      • You need a better therapist. Sorry to be so harsh but the way you fill up the message boards with such achy posts about your horrible slathered-in-fat body and your character flaws causing you to eat fruit (the horrors), well, it makes MDA forums kind of a sucky place to be. I start to feel bad about my own body, worse than I would make myself feel if I kept to myself. You are older than me, you lift way more than me, you're way thinner than me, you have children and a nice husband. I'm younger, I struggle to barely lift anything and I'm left feeling like death warmed over for the effort, I never had children, I've always been fat with no neck and still am, I have a mean boyfriend that I am only a thin shred of something away from hating. That you can be so miserable and I can feel overall pretty darn happy and even excited about my life and success has to say something about your mental health (or maybe mine?)
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • No, you choose to think that I am miserable and that my posts are filled with ache. You dismiss anything to the contrary and keep hanging on the negative. I think you might want to put me on the ignore list or something, 'cause you are obviously upset and stuff.
                          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                          When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                          • No one asserted that you were mentally ill, either.

                            When I read your posts, I see a lot of suffering. I don't know if you *agonized* over finding two cactuses for your collection in the same way that you describe suffering in these posts: character flaws, how you are slathered in fat (and various other body-hate/shame phrases), and so on.

                            I'm apparently not the only one who sees this. So either ALL of us are "reading into" what you write, or you are not communicating clearly, or you are communicating clearly from your experience and this is your actual feelings and we are seeing what you are saying accurately and asserting that it's . . . not normal (which is different than mentally ill).

                            There is a big difference between "interest in this" and "the *i hate my body* tone of your posts." And then followed with the assertion that these various inabilities are character flaws (or that we think it is, or that I'm somehow saying I'm 'better' than you because of what I'm doing, etc).

                            I mean, I obviously have an interest in a lot of these various topics -- since I've been around for a while -- and yet I do not communicate any notion that I hate my body, or that I'm suffering such that people would say "wow, zoebird, that's not normal thinking."

                            You can take or leave this, but it's going to keep coming up until you either A. communicate differently/more clearly (ie, if 'we' are reading into things, then perhaps how you are writing things is not accurate) or B. figure it out for yourself such that you are feeling and thereby communicating differently.

                            ----

                            When I swim, I prefer to swim in sprints, rather than straight laps in 30 minutes.

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                            • I will do swim sprints as well, maybe once a week. I like doing it in fins, that's a logistic problem since I get to lag the fins around, or they freeze in the winter in the track.

                              What I am interested in with the swim is replicating the thermic impact of swimming coupled with the steady resistance of water. That to me implies a steady state swim for a 30-40 min on average. When I trained as a kid, we swam 60 to 90 min 6 days a week, and I am reading that adult athletes swim 2 hours a day. Now, that's the swim as the main focus. As a support, I am figuring to try 30-40 min, 4-5x a week & see if there is an impact.
                              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                              • When I was a kid, we did stroke training in sprints for about 45-60 minutes. And, as an adult, I just mirrored that training when I did the triathlon training.

                                Our common training in high school swim team was:

                                200 warm up any style slow pace

                                2 x 100 free
                                2 x 100 breast
                                2 x 100 butterfly
                                2 x 100 back

                                Then we'd do a series of 100s of just kicks/just arms often with drags (little foam things that you hold between your ankles). So, it would be those 4 strokes, 100 each arm then 100 each legs -- equalling another 200.

                                Then we would do a 500 as fast as possible in freestyle

                                then start the cool down which was a slow 200 any style

                                then we would have a finish of a slow 100 any style.

                                I did this for several years after -- picking up the speed and slowing down the rest time in between sprints such that the whole workout would be about 40 minutes, and then i started adding more distance. Right now, I don't have pool access, so i don't do the laps, but probably will in years to come.

                                I never swim with fins. The bother me. But, to increase drag, I would swim in hosiery or a t-shirt (that seriously increases drag).

                                The other thing to think about, though, is that swimming can prevent the "lean look" in general because the cold temps tend to have the body keep on a little extra fat. It's just one of those things. It sort of works different than thermogenesis as far as I can tell.

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