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  • I wouldn't look at it as spot-reducing, which is not a valid expectation. It is more of finding a strategy for mind, body and mouth, and achieve the best possible result with minimum required efforts. I am very fond of Ferris' concept (20% efforts giving 80% of the desired result), however, I think that nutrition, diet and psychological strategy is highly individual. The ideal is a plan that is there but invisible, simple and does not interfere or gods forbid replace life. While a degree of change is expected, going with the nature and natural inclinations maybe a good idea, rather than being drastically against the natural tendency. For a while I thought that the less natural/appealing the approach is, the more successful it will be since it is so drastic. But my experience with the high fat VLC was very much against this idea. Too bad. In a way Primal plays a lot with drastically changing things, calling black white etc.
    Last edited by Leida; 12-13-2012, 10:12 AM.
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    • Originally posted by Leida View Post
      ...unlimited clean carbs following the desire is not a bad way to go. ....weighing every celery stick and avoiding eating veggies. I am giving up the pursuit of eating only once or twice a day or limiting carbs.
      I started to post this earlier, and then I dont think I did, so forgive me if I did here already. (it has been a long day already) Anyways, PHD's philsophy is do not count the low calorie vegetable, their calories nor their carbs. Eat them unlimited. They only provide enough glucose for their own digestion.

      That frees up more room for fruits and starches. He has a weight loss formula, which is slightly different than maintenance where he likes more fat.

      I do try to eat a 16/8 but within my window I probably eat 2-5 times. Kind of depends on what I eat & my activity. Then some days, like when my day starts at 3am, I might want something sooner. The frequency within my window might change later once I reach my goal and add a bit more fat back in.

      The new release is good. It has info that was not in the first book.
      65lbs gone and counting!!

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      • I never really did VLC, so I have no clue about it. I suppose I just would casually follow things and see if they work.

        And then I do what works.

        In terms of thighs, I mostly do squatting positions and lunges in yoga, which tend to work things just fine if you do the muscle work of it properly.

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        • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
          That's not what I read Leida reporting. I got the impression she was averaging around 1500-1700 calories a day while being very active.

          I would certainly agree that 1000 calories a day chronically is way too low for someone of Leida's height and weight.
          Less than 1000 is what I saw on her journal page. She goes sub-1000 for a few days, then eats around 2000+ for one day. Seems like a really disordered way to treat yourself.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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          • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            Less than 1000 is what I saw on her journal page. She goes sub-1000 for a few days, then eats around 2000+ for one day. Seems like a really disordered way to treat yourself.
            No she doesn't, and Leida has confirmed that. Perhaps you are projecting something?
            F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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            • Leida's journal. I'm not going to argue this anymore, but these calorie totals seem pretty disordered to me.
              Week 3: (~ 126.2 lbs to ---)
              Oct 29th: W: 126.2 lbs, 860 cals, 38 g fat (40%), 12/1 g carbs, 107 g protein. walking : ~ 60 min, X-trainer 45 min, stretch, stm.rm
              Oct 30th: W: 122.8 lbs, 1015 cals, 50 g fat (44%), 36/11 g carbs, 109 g protein. Depletion W/O #1, 20 min X-trainer (HIIT), 60 min walking
              Oct 31st, W: 123.8 lbs, ~ maintenance calories, nc; 35 min X-trainer, ~60 min walking
              Nov 1st, W: 124.1 lbs, tbd, Depletion WO#2

              Week 2 (~ 123.4 lbs to 120.4, 17.6% BF)
              Oct 22, 2012 W: 123.4 lbs; 980 cals, 47 g fat (43%), 34/9 g carbs, 109 g protein; 60 min walking + 45 X-trainer (SS), 15 min stretch, stm.rm
              Oct 23, 2012 W: 124.1 lbs; 900 cals, 38 g fat (39%), 33/9 g carbs, 108 g protein; Depletion W/O #1, 20 min snow shov, 60 min walking, stretch
              Oct 24, 2012 W:122.7 lbs, 970 cals, 47 g (43%) fat, 35/5 g carbs, 101 g protein; Depletion W/O #2, 20 min X-trainer, stretch, 90 min walking
              Oct 25th: W: 122.9 lbs, 1064 cals, 62 g (51%) fat, 26/4 g carbs, 99 g protein, 40 min learning cable pulls & BP with a PT; 16 min X-trainer+ 25 min recovery swim; 25 min walking against the current in the lazy river (counted as stretch), stm.rm; MS+play (shopping, belaying)
              Oct 26th: W: 120.5 lbs, 1400 cals, 200/19 g carbs, 25 g fat (15%), 101 g protein; Intensity WO, walking 70 min, tabata (9 sets burpies, 1 set JJ), stm.rm
              Oct 27th, 2012: W:120.4 lbs, 17.6% BF (WW Scale); 2800 cals, 640 g carbs, 1% fat, 91 g protein + Creatine Load; Moving Slow+Play, stm.rm
              Oct 28th, 2012: W122 lbs; 1700 cals, 29 g fat (15%), 218/40 g carbs, 152 g protein; Power workout, stretch, Play

              Week 1 (~ 125 to 121.6 lbs, 17.8% BF)
              Oct 15, 2012: W: NM; 835 cals, 30 g fat (32%), 23/11 g carbs (10%), 123 g protein; ~ 100 min walking + 15 min stretch
              Oct 16, 2012: W: 123.5 lbs; 995 cals, 56 g fat (50%), 20/5 g carbs, 106 g protein; UD2.0 Depletion 1; 90 min walking + 15 min stretch
              Oct 17th, 2012:W: 125 lbs; 1150 cals, 62 g fat (47%), 27/7 g carbs, 120 g protein; UD2.0 Depletion 2; 90 min walking (with a bit of jogging) + 15 min stretch
              Oct 18th, 2012: W:123 lbs; 985 cals, 42 g fat (38%), 28/9 carbs, 119 g protein; ~ 70 min walking, 40 min SS X-trainer + 15 min stretch
              Oct 19th, 2012: W: 122.5 lbs, 1390 cals, 18 g fat (12%), 198/12 carbs, 106 g protein; ~ 40 min walking/20 min jog, Intensity Tension W/O, NO stretch
              Oct 20th, 2012: W: 121.6 lbs, 17.8% BF (WW Scale); 2500+ cals, 600 g+ carbs + Creatine Load; Moving Slow+Play, stretch, stm.rm
              Oct 21st, 2012: W:122.3, nc but clean; Power Workout + stretch, MS+ Play
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                Leida's journal. I'm not going to argue this anymore, but these calorie totals seem pretty disordered to me.
                Leida was clearly eating significantly more than 1000 cals per day on average for the week that you homed in on.

                Again, I suggest that you are projecting something in terms of your personal eating disorders.
                F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                  Less than 1000 is what I saw on her journal page. She goes sub-1000 for a few days, then eats around 2000+ for one day. Seems like a really disordered way to treat yourself.
                  Don't most of us on Primal do this?
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                  • Most of us? No.

                    Apparently this is something from another source -- I haven't dug into it but she mentioned it somewhere else (or maybe on this thread).

                    I tend to eat a consistent 1500-1700 calories per day.

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                    • Originally posted by sakura_girl View Post
                      Don't most of us on Primal do this?
                      Nope. I think I'd kill somebody if I tried to run on less than 1000/day with any regularity. I eat at least double that. I might have a day now and then when my appetite tells me I don't want to eat much, but there's no way I could undereat to that extent as a regular thing.
                      “If I didn't define myself for myself, I would be crunched into other people's fantasies for me and eaten alive.” --Audre Lorde

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                      • Originally posted by zoebird View Post
                        Most of us? No.

                        Apparently this is something from another source -- I haven't dug into it but she mentioned it somewhere else (or maybe on this thread).

                        I tend to eat a consistent 1500-1700 calories per day.
                        This is my range as well, as active as I am I won't even consider dropping my intake that low - for any reason.

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                        • I used to eat like that a lot, except with me, it was "try to eat way low" "try to eat way low" "try to eat way low" "oops, I binged." Rinse, repeat.
                          5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                          Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                          Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                          Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                          ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                          • So far can't comment on the impact of increased swimming vs land aerobics - I am obviously no Michael Phelps, so I dunno if you need to swim daily to see the effects?

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                            One more time:

                            This quote is from my last 3 weeks on the Ultimate Diet 2.0. This is very deliberate calorie and carbs staggering method. It actually works, but I find it very hard because the daily intake is so low on 4-5 days and so high on 1-2 days. Funny, huh.

                            I did Ultimate Diet 2.0 3 times, first time for 6 weeks, then 4 weeks,and this particular one I abandoned during Week 3 - over 4+ years on Whole foods/paleo/Primal. This is hardly representative of how I normally eat. When I eat normally I don't even bother recording calories, unless I am trying something new, for example adding beans to see how my carb count looks like or for a month wen I was trying to keep carbs total under 25 g. My journal coincides with attempts to very strict dieting. When I am not strict, I don't see the point of a journal.

                            Honestly, I am one of those people who are more likely to over- than undereat. Hence the attempts to stricter caloric controls.
                            Last edited by Leida; 12-17-2012, 08:22 AM.
                            My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                            When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                            • Ah! There's the source. I haven't looked into the Ultimate Diet 2.0, so I can't comment on it, you know?

                              Leida, considering your height weight, why do you go through these protocols? Is it to lose a sort of 8-10 lbs gain or something from not chronicling? Or something else?

                              I know that, for myself, I hardly ever chronicle anything -- but I will do a quick look on a random day by a quick calorie count (using a counter). I don't actually weigh/measure, but my husband makes everything, so he has a good sense of the amounts that I eat (he's good at doing that anyway from years and years of measuring).

                              I was happy with my weight at the doctor's office, but I weighed myself before at my friend's place just to keep myself from gettng any surprises, and on her scale, I was 2 kilos (4 lbs) more than at the doctor's office. I also feel a bit "puffier" lately (though I am menstruating currently), and my waist was up at 27 inches.

                              None of this is inherently bad,b ecause in another 4 days, I could be back on her scale at the same weight as the dr's office (which means i'd weigh less there), and I'll be back at 26 inches at the waist and such, you know?

                              For me, it's a matter of fine-tuning what I'm already doing.

                              For example, I know that I'm currently not getting enough sleep AND I'm not getting enough exercise. I know that if I dialed in on those things, I'd "lose the 4.4 lbs" really quickly, and likely the inch too. DH and I have been talking about how I can get more exercise, as our schedule is really tight. Sleep s just up to me going to bed earlier!

                              I'm also giving up caffine, so that's been an interesting physiological experience.

                              I wonder if just doing something simple would make the difference for such things, rather than going to extremes. Although, I can see that IFing might be seen as "extreme" or being paleo itself might be.

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                              • Because U.D.2.0 is the only method I found that lead me to consistently lose fat if I manage to stay faithful to it. Everything else leads to a weight gain.

                                I am admiring anyone who could drop whatever fat that they need to drop. I have numerous character flaws that lead me to being unable to do so. I don't drink alcohol or ingest caffeine, cook every meal for 3 people from organic, grass-fed and heritage, go to bed between 8 and 9 pm, work at a standing desk/go for a stroll daily and adhere to what I consider a good workout schedule (lifting every 3rd day, support 2x a week, elliptical HIT/swimming for cardio). But my character flaws lead me to overeat and treat myself with food, so it leads to a healthy middle-aged woman with too much fat on her frame for her liking. It's really very simple.

                                Hence trying stricter controls, meditation and studying mindful eating in an effort to overcome the said character flaws. So far unsuccessfully.
                                Last edited by Leida; 12-18-2012, 07:55 AM.
                                My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                                When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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