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  • I really don't want to cycle at the moment - I think that my attempts to cycle and manage the food intake vs exercise intake vs carb intake and trying to feast to reset ghrelin led to conditioning myself to binge on the weekends. I was always eating more on the weekends, and it just made matters worse. Basically, in the food world, I think I have to concentrate on eating as little as I can without starting to lose sleep & being able to make it through the workday easily & stopping to eat when full on the weekend.

    I maybe relatively active, but activity in my case does not compensate for calories consumed.

    I tend to do badly with an unlimited access to food. I really hate it that I am afraid of being at home because I will eat, and it is not healthy. So I need to somehow learn to be at home and NOT eat. I am starting to get over the VLC-inspired fear of carbs, so that should help (I can eat celery sticks, YAY!)
    Last edited by Leida; 12-11-2012, 03:33 PM.
    My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
    When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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    • OK Leida - I am just suggesting what I feel would work for you. Am glad that you are starting to get over the VLC-inspired fear of carbs. That sounds very positive.
      F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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      • Originally posted by Leida View Post
        I am comparing to myself only a few months back when I was 118-120 lbs, and ~ 25" waist. I dunno, if my standards are too high, but atm I have a VERY protruding gut, like I am 5 months pg. I know a lot of it is the persistent bloat after last Sunday's eating, but what will be left is still far too much if I stick to high 120's. I have never measured leg length and stuff. I am 169 cm that comes to 5'6 and 1/2" tall, 37 yo and have 1 child.
        If you find yourself wanting to eat all the time, adding more protein (and fat, if you're not already having a good bit) in the morning can do amazing things. That, or your body is telling you it's starving for nutrients b/c of fat malabsorption or true starvation or sugar addiction. Lots of possibilities. I've been through most of them, lol.

        But if you're 5'6" with a 27" waist & 21.5" thighs, sorry, you're not fat. You may have a high %BF if you're "skinny-fat" and maybe that could be causing the dissatisfaction. More protein & more LHT could help *if* that's the case and if you're not already doing it.

        I find it very hard to imagine you're really getting into size 8+ at that size. My 23" thighs fit well into a lot of size 6's (modern vanity sizing, of course). 4's are around the corner if they drop a bit more. I'm 5'4" & 140. But pants vary from maker to maker & country to country. I wouldn't get hung up on a number, but look for strength, muscle tone, feeling healthy, and being able to do what you want to do. I know that's easier said that done, too!

        Bloating is very, very different from fat, and will not go away with eating less. I've been battling that battle for several years now. I will go from flat stomach to looking 6mo pregnant and then back again in a day or so. It's crazy-making. But it's getting better as I'm healing my gut. If you looked perfectly fit & strong but had a bloated belly, the only thing to work on would be gut health, not calorie restriction. Your body needs the right fuel, and plenty of it, to correct bacterial dysbiosis & restore proper gut lining function.
        5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
        Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
        Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
        Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
        ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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        • Originally posted by paleo-bunny View Post
          I'm aware of Leida's calorie intake as journalled, and I would say it's not unusually low as far as this forum goes.
          You don't think below 1000 calories for days on end is too low? I think that constitutes starvation.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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          • In this case, with Leida -- yes, I think there is some eating disordered behavior here. Seems to me at least.

            I think people consider me low cal because I'm at 1500-1700 -- but I'm not as active right now as I was a year ago this time, and the IF seems to have changed the caloric intake a bit. Still, i might jump up 100-200 cals/day when I am active again like last year, fasting or no.

            But, this seems to be working well, so I'll stick with it.

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            • Originally posted by MamaGrok View Post
              If you find yourself wanting to eat all the time, adding more protein (and fat, if you're not already having a good bit) in the morning can do amazing things. That, or your body is telling you it's starving for nutrients b/c of fat malabsorption or true starvation or sugar addiction. Lots of possibilities. I
              To use your quote on the starving for nutrients, for Leida, do you take vitamins/supplements? Eat nutrient dense foods like eggs, bone broth, liver, potatoes, green leafy? Malnourishment can cause weight gain. Also, when you are watching the carbs, I have been reading that you dont need to count the ones in the veggies since veggies provide only enough glucose for their own digestion. So eat your celery and other veggies to your hearts desire w/o fear If you are worried about other stuff in the house, get it out of the house
              Last edited by gopintos; 12-12-2012, 07:58 AM.
              65lbs gone and counting!!

              Fat 2 Fit - One Woman's Journey

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              • My nutritional profile is very close to perfect, I supplement, and I have been lifting heavy for over 3 years. My upper body is pretty good, lower body is crap and now I gained weight I have the gut to show for it. I do everything by the book even when it hurts me, just don't really get much in return. Basically I gave up for now, and going just eat what I feel like (which means fruit!), and grow fat, and try to accept that I am just made like that. heck, maybe it's the 'change' coming up, who knows. I like kettlebells and barbells, and all that so I am sticking to it. But foods... nah. If i feel like an apple with breakfast, I will eat an apple with breakfast. Eating 3 eggs and 1/2 cup of egg white and 1 tbsp of coconut oil did not fix anything for me, so might as well have apple and yogurt, i figure.

                Of course, i tried it a few times before, and it never worked out too, lol.

                //
                Yesterday: actually the DLs and OHP and swings gave me interesting DOMs in unusual places, so maybe I did not underlift. Added 20 min of not quite HIT on the elliptical + steam room
                Today: Strength balancing workout + 15 min front kroll. TGU were brutal even with 8 lbs.
                Last edited by Leida; 12-12-2012, 10:29 AM.
                My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                  You don't think below 1000 calories for days on end is too low? I think that constitutes starvation.
                  That's not what I read Leida reporting. I got the impression she was averaging around 1500-1700 calories a day while being very active.

                  I would certainly agree that 1000 calories a day chronically is way too low for someone of Leida's height and weight.
                  F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                  • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                    You don't think below 1000 calories for days on end is too low? I think that constitutes starvation.
                    That's not what I read Leida reporting. I got the impression she was averaging around 1500-1700 calories a day while being very active.

                    I would certainly agree that 1000 calories a day chronically is way too low for someone of Leida's height and weight.
                    F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                    • I managed maybe 3 or 4 days that were under 1000 calories (with the lowest being maybe 800 calories) when I was doing UD2.0. Once I managed 36 hours fast. But it was a part of a staggered calories plan that in the end averaged calories to 1300-1500. Normally, I am over 1500, closer to 1700, and on the weekends I most often zero in or crest 2000 calories. So, nope, I do not eat under 1000 calories, as much as I would love to be one of them posters saying that I am so stuffed I can barely eat 1000 calories a day. Lol.
                      My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                      When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                      • I have a lot of respect for you Leida, along with some concern. I feel that you are a very intelligent lady.
                        F 5 ft 3. HW: 196 lbs. Primal SW (May 2011): 182 lbs (42% BF)... W June '12: 160 lbs (29% BF) (UK size 12, US size 8). GW: ~24% BF - have ditched the scales til I fit into a pair of UK size 10 bootcut jeans. Currently aligning towards 'The Perfect Health Diet' having swapped some fat for potatoes.

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                        • Ditto that.

                          Originally posted by Leida View Post
                          Eating 3 eggs and 1/2 cup of egg white and 1 tbsp of coconut oil did not fix anything for me, so might as well have apple and yogurt, i figure.

                          Of course, i tried it a few times before, and it never worked out too, lol.
                          FWIW, it takes anywhere from 1/2lb to 1lb+ of solid meat or meat/fish combo, and always 2T of CO or animal fat, to get food cravings to go away for me. An apple after that, sure. An apple & yogurt instead of that is a recipe for disaster for me. Cravings all day, binge in the afternoon. Or the next one.
                          5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                          Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                          Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                          Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                          ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                          • Interesting pondering the lipoedema. You can see in my avatar that my arms & upper body are very trim (when not bloated). But my thighs, as I said, just got back down to 23" today for the first time in6 months, and the first time in 8 years before that, and I have fat from there clear down to my knees. The fat over my knee is gross. First stage? Maybe. I've had disproportionate thighs since I was a teenager, and same for my mother & both sisters & grandmother & great-grandmother.
                            5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                            Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                            Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                            Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                            ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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                            • Thank you for the concern, folks, and for kinb words, really appreciate it! To be honest, I think I am derived from that good peasant stock and that core is what keeps me walking the middle line, so whenever I swing to the extremes, it returns me back.

                              Diet wise, I think if you tried hard and the high fat solution is not doing it for you, pushing it causes harm. Protein though seem to be a HUGE deal. I dunno, I don't have much cravings for anything but fruit, and since I decided that I will just eat, getting hungrier doesn't bother me. In fact, I think that part of the hunger when choices are too limited are because of the conflict in the brain due to not enough permission to eat the 'forbidden' foods. My feeling is unless you do want subaverage BF%, eating the balance of some fat, high protein and unlimited clean carbs following the desire is not a bad way to go. I have been orgaz-ming on salads for 2 days in a row, a big bowl of greens, with herbs, broccoli slaw, radishes and avocado and a top-up with ham and liver... I felt like I have never eaten anything better. Until I finished it off with a grapefruit, yum.

                              The VLC did me a disservice. I dunno, eating every 3-5 hours or so doesn't seem like a great tragedy to me to be honest if all the food is good and clean, compared to weighing every celery stick and avoiding eating veggies. I am giving up the pursuit of eating only once or twice a day or limiting carbs. For now I am not counting anything either. I will wait till I get the next bout of 'wanna lose weight SOOOOO badly' for that, lol.

                              @MamaGrok: just watch for the pain. It seems that what distinguishes lipodemia from the simple preferential fat deposition is very pronounced pain.

                              ///

                              Curtsy Lunges - I am sorry we got derailed more into the dieting side. Curtsy lunges in my books have a strike against them because they are hard to get the proper form on. Being a clumsy inflexible woman, I prefer as simple form as possible. Being a If you can do them well, I would sure go for them, and any other lunges and split squats for the lower leg training as well as for step-ups, side steps and side lunge and row. They are all good and functional.

                              However, when you do other heavy lifting, and plenty of other stuff, your inner/outer thighs, aka stabilizers get a workout for free. Squatting on BOSU is one of my favs now for giving my inner thighs something to think about, and they double as a heck of a stretch.

                              Anyway, I am trying to keep fair and square on my minimizing the # of exercises performed per workout program & will stick to it for a couple of month before trying more. I have read plenty about too many different things reducing an overall effect.

                              Today I am ice skating outdoors for my lunch break, and swimming. Last time I swam, my tricep & shoulder were *hurting* - am still feeling it. So, while I am going to give a shot to 38-40 min front kroll, I might leave the pool defeated!

                              Friday will be the first time I am lifting Max/Failure for the Bench, I am so curious to see if I can push 92 lbs bench. I have been salivating over 95 lbs, the first serious plate FOREVAR, and if I can lift 92, I will try 95 next. Which makes me wonder if a swim this afternoon is a good plan, or should I recover the arms more. Decisions, decisions.
                              Last edited by Leida; 12-13-2012, 07:01 AM.
                              My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread57916.html
                              When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be.

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                              • Thanks for the note on the pain - important to know!

                                Y'all lunge away - back when I was super fit, and I got my legs super strong with gobs of squats, lunges, ad/abductor leg lifts, having more muscle just meant more size! For me, that is. I had all the fat AND all the muscle. More power to anyone who finds success with spot reducing!
                                5'4" 39yo mother to five sweeties & married to their AMAZING DaddyGrok
                                Current Weight: 175lb__________________________________Goal: 135lb
                                Deadlift: 240lb________________________________________Back Squat: 165lb
                                Bench: 130lb__________________________________________Pre ss: 85lb
                                ***Winning a 20-year war against binge eating disorder***

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