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  • Rolfing or A.R.T. anyone?

    Has anyone here had experience with either/both of these therapies? After much research I am leaning towards Rolfing because it seems to be better suited to older injuries + more integral approach but have yet to speak to anyone who's had this done. I also look like the "before" from the side in the Rolfing institute's logo ;-)

    I have a nagging imbalance in my buttock/hip area on the right side that stems from my SI joint or piriformis (unsure) that's causing all kinds of junk ranging from "pain in the butt" to numbness down leg, groin pain & low back pain. Am now sure it's all related and have tried everything (e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g) except these 2 therapies.

    Help me help myself once and for all!!!!

  • #2
    Both my husband and I have done rolfing for a few years now. I can't say enough good about it. Yes it is going to cost you a little bit to get through your 10 series. No, it does not hurt like everyone told me it would. They say to try 3 and you will know by then if it is for you ar not.
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    • #3
      ART performed by a competent provider is nothing short of magic. My bodybuilding days would have been very short if I hadn't discovered ART for a myriad of soft tissue injuries.
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      • #4
        I've had ART from its founder Dr Laheay. I saw him in college - he treated the cadets for free... paying back is alma mater. Great guy! I believe he's still in CSprings... absolutely amazing for release of over used muscles and joint problems... give it a go if you can find a good practitioner my current chiropractor doesn't use it...but when I need it I go to someone else...
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Zophie View Post
          Both my husband and I have done rolfing for a few years now. I can't say enough good about it. Yes it is going to cost you a little bit to get through your 10 series. No, it does not hurt like everyone told me it would. They say to try 3 and you will know by then if it is for you ar not.
          How dramatic was the process? I mean did it interfere with your conditioning or day-to-day activities during treatment and did you have lasting results once completed? I heard once you've completed the 10 series you're good to go aside from "touch-ups" here and there.

          At this point (after sports massage/therapy, chiro, osteo...) I'm looking for something that will give me a MAJOR overhaul. I don't mind paying more up-front for that as long as I know/think it'll be worth it.

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          • #6
            Yes.

            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread25842.html

            Since I posted in that thread, my Rolfing sessions have ended and I am now doing something called atlas orthogonal chiropractic (this type, specifically) with damned near miraculous results. In many ways, the Rolfing primed my body for the atlas chiro adjustments that were to come.

            I had constant sacral and then right-sided SI pain for three years and one leg/hip was hitched up so that it appeared as if one leg was shorter than the other (but in actuality was not). I am not kidding you .... ONE AO adjustment (after six months of Rolfing ... you won't need as much, do not worry) and my leg lengths were equal and my shoulders too. It's taken six weeks of 2-3x weekly AO, but now the constant sacral and SI pain is completely resolved and the S curve is returning to my spine!

            The combination of Rolfing and atlas orthogonal chiropractic is extremely powerful. Both deal with structural integrity -- one works the skeleton, one works the soft tissue.

            GlobalAO: About Atlas Orthogonal
            Last edited by TigerLily; 05-25-2011, 03:57 PM.
            "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Corj View Post
              How dramatic was the process? I mean did it interfere with your conditioning or day-to-day activities during treatment and did you have lasting results once completed? I heard once you've completed the 10 series you're good to go aside from "touch-ups" here and there.

              At this point (after sports massage/therapy, chiro, osteo...) I'm looking for something that will give me a MAJOR overhaul. I don't mind paying more up-front for that as long as I know/think it'll be worth it.
              Well my body was really messed up when I started. My strrnum is split in two pieces and that causes my shoulders to roll forward and my shoulder blades to flip out like wings. Sometimes at night I would roll over in bed and my rib cage would cross over and not only was that REALLY painful I couldn't breathe. I also had a brown recluse spider bite on my shin that had to be cut out. The nerve pain from that is still really intense so I tend to not put as much weight on that leg. That was always tweaking my pelvis into a weird position. My injuries are still there, but rolfing has allowed me to keep an active lifestyle and manage my own pain with out meds. I also feel that it has prevented countless other injuries by making me more aware of how I move.

              My Hubby had a standing appointment with the chiropractor every tuesday for the first 5 years of our marraige. His back hurt him so bad and everyone always told him it was because he had one leg that was longer than the other. He spent so much money on shoe inserts to fix it and they never helped. Then he tried rolfing and the girl told him that his legs were fine and it was his pelvis that was not setting right. She was right. He is pain free and has never needed to go back to the chiropractor again.

              He did the 10 series and that was all he needed. (that was 5 years ago) I go once a month because of my sternum. It has been a miracle for both of us. It has changed our lives for the better. I feel that it is the only lasting thing I have tried.

              One thing I would suggest is not to work out after your appointment. It seems to me that your body keeps moving well after the appointment is over. I always work out in the morning before I go and try to make sure I am not going to lift the next day. Drink lots of water because it does seem to stir things up. I get a headache if I don't drink enough.
              ~Blog~

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              • #8
                Tigerlily, thanks for posting the link on the AO. I think I would like to try it.
                ~Blog~

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                • #9
                  Zophie: You will be able to see the x-ray on your first appointment if and how your atlas is misaligned. It was a trip to see mine! The way it was misaligned was exactly the way the rest of my body followed suit and was also misaligned. I can't say enough good things about AO. Make sure you watch Montel Williams' testimonial at that link about his nerve pain and what happened after just one adjustment. The person who told me all about this said that those kind of responses are not uncommon. I didn't want to get my hopes up too much, but then I had a massive response to my first treatment.

                  To the OP: Is the nature of your injury skeletal or soft tissue, or both, or do you know? That would determine which course to take. In my case, it was both.
                  "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                  • #10
                    "To the OP: Is the nature of your injury skeletal or soft tissue, or both, or do you know? That would determine which course to take. In my case, it was both. "

                    I suspect it's soft tissue because I've had months of chiro with no improvement whatsoever. The only thing that has given me minor response or has mimicked all of my symptoms after treatment was osteopathy. Unfortunately I can never get lasting relief or get enough appointments to make significant headway as the really good therapists are so in demand.

                    Regarding the Atlas misalignment; Were a "standard" course of chiro treatments (x/week for x/months) prescribed? That has always kept me out of chiro's offices but I must say the videos have really peeked my curiosity.

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                    • #11
                      Well, as you can see in that video (and as was the case with me), if your atlas is misaligned, the rest of your body is going to be correspondingly misaligned. This is why my sacrum was so painful -- it wasn't in its proper anatomic position....because the atlas at the top of the spine was misaligned. Not only was my atlas tipped, it was also torqued as well. (And my pelvis was torqued and tipped in the exact same fashion. Really, it's fascinating!)

                      In your case, if you were going to "regular" chiropractic and they weren't adjusting your atlas with the specialized machine they use for this, then it makes perfect sense to me that you weren't seeing any results..... IF your issue is originating from the atlas.

                      I would go for a consultation with an AO chiropractor first. On that first visit, they will take x-rays of your atlas, and you will see for yourself if that atlas vertebra is even out of whack at all. If it's not, then no need to pursue this avenue. With Rolfing, you're committing to a 10 series, and it's expensive.

                      I guess some people only need a couple of atlas adjustments and they are fixed, but in my case my body had been screwed up for so long (three years) and had developed odd compensations over that time so that they'd make the adjustment, but my body couldn't hold it and would revert back. I had to go in 3x a week in the very beginning, but now I'm holding the adjustment quite well and am down to 1x. (You're almost certain not to need as much as me, though.)

                      I don't know the nature of your injury, but for me, it wasn't a case of either/or AO or Rolfing. I needed both.
                      "Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food." -- Hippocrates

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mac View Post
                        ART performed by a competent provider is nothing short of magic.
                        +1 on this. If you do ART, look for a practitioner that is also a LMT. They tend to be a lot more perceptive and therefore better at applying the technique.

                        I've found that when I need it the most, the technique is very painful. When the area is healthy, it feels good. It's very fast at relieving trigger points and adhesions. Scar tissue takes longer to break up.

                        I've not done rolfing. Having to sign up for ten sessions before knowing whether the rolfer or the technique was any good put me off, and then I found my ART practitioner, who is a genius.

                        Gordo

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by TigerLily View Post
                          Well, as you can see in that video (and as was the case with me), if your atlas is misaligned, the rest of your body is going to be correspondingly misaligned. This is why my sacrum was so painful -- it wasn't in its proper anatomic position....because the atlas at the top of the spine was misaligned. Not only was my atlas tipped, it was also torqued as well. (And my pelvis was torqued and tipped in the exact same fashion. Really, it's fascinating!)

                          In your case, if you were going to "regular" chiropractic and they weren't adjusting your atlas with the specialized machine they use for this, then it makes perfect sense to me that you weren't seeing any results..... IF your issue is originating from the atlas.

                          I would go for a consultation with an AO chiropractor first. On that first visit, they will take x-rays of your atlas, and you will see for yourself if that atlas vertebra is even out of whack at all. If it's not, then no need to pursue this avenue. With Rolfing, you're committing to a 10 series, and it's expensive.

                          I guess some people only need a couple of atlas adjustments and they are fixed, but in my case my body had been screwed up for so long (three years) and had developed odd compensations over that time so that they'd make the adjustment, but my body couldn't hold it and would revert back. I had to go in 3x a week in the very beginning, but now I'm holding the adjustment quite well and am down to 1x. (You're almost certain not to need as much as me, though.)

                          I don't know the nature of your injury, but for me, it wasn't a case of either/or AO or Rolfing. I needed both.
                          +1000000
                          I now go to an AO (Atlas Orthogonal) Chiropractor...best thing I ever started doing....
                          The most depraved type of human being is the man without a purpose. ~ Ayn Rand
                          What's your purpose? Mine is Optimal Health.

                          Converted to PB November 2010
                          SW 190lb
                          Leptin Reset Redux (1Sep 2011) SW 170lbs
                          25 Sep 2011 160lbs
                          1 Dec 2011 158lbs!
                          GW ~135lbs
                          5'3"
                          Mother of 2, and wife to a kick ass husband...trying to contain chaos and havoc on a daily basis

                          My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread40609.html

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                          • #14
                            BTW both my kids have been adjusted by an AO chiropractor - since birth...best thing we ever did for them...w/dd (who's 3) she stops sleeping when her atlas is out, and ds (who's 1) reflux gets really bad when he's out.... he's only been out 2-3x since he was adjusted after birth and dd has been out 5-6x since birth

                            defintatly a great thing to do... I'm still trying to get DH to see my AO Chiropractor
                            The most depraved type of human being is the man without a purpose. ~ Ayn Rand
                            What's your purpose? Mine is Optimal Health.

                            Converted to PB November 2010
                            SW 190lb
                            Leptin Reset Redux (1Sep 2011) SW 170lbs
                            25 Sep 2011 160lbs
                            1 Dec 2011 158lbs!
                            GW ~135lbs
                            5'3"
                            Mother of 2, and wife to a kick ass husband...trying to contain chaos and havoc on a daily basis

                            My Journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread40609.html

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                            • #15
                              Active Release Therapy has been nothing short of miraculous for tendonitis in my elbows. I go maybe four times a year now and I remain pain free.

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