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  • #16
    Starting Strength for little guys (sub 185) requires 5000+ calories per day. This includes a gallon of milk a day. This kind of eating will put on muscle (and fat). Without the cals, strength gains will progress slower. I experience the same limitations on 5/3/1 because I'm cheap and don't like to eat a lot. I've done okay though because 5/3/1 is a terrific program.

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    • #17
      wow the book is expensive! 30 is the cheapest for the book or 6 for the book on DVD. Not sure if reading it from a DVD will get on my nerves hmm

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      • #18
        If you ever lift any weight in any way, it will be the best thirty squid you ever spend. I promise.
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        • #19
          Hold on i just remembered, its my birthday in 3 weeks

          Looks like my girlfriend is buying me a book haha!

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          • #20
            See if your library has it.

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            • #21
              OK you've been given the right advice. BTW, where the frick did you read to put on 15KG a week? 15 lb is less than half that, and that's only if you hit the squats.

              DONT DO SS UNLESS: 1) you've read the book and understand it, and are actively learning proper form 2) you are actually committed to getting frickin strong, which will require nasty gut wrenching squatting and a lot of it. It is not fun and easy. If you need fun and easy there are lots of other programs, they just won't get you frickin strong like SS will.

              Oh, and here's how you know a weight is too heavy: You squat it down, and can't get it up despite pushing with every fiber of your being and you have to dump it in the safety pins. You curse a blue streak, rest five minutes, then try it again. Do that three workouts in a row and you can honestly say the weight is too heavy. "Feeling heavy" is exactly how it's supposed to feel - it's supposed to be the heaviest thing you've ever put on your back, every time.
              If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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              • #22
                Being scared is a good thing. If I don't feel scared before at least one workout a week I'm not training hard enough.

                But, your original post does make me question your squat technique - have it checked (maybe post a video here?). Do you know how to dump the bar safely?
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                  OK you've been given the right advice. BTW, where the frick did you read to put on 15KG a week? 15 lb is less than half that, and that's only if you hit the squats.

                  DONT DO SS UNLESS: 1) you've read the book and understand it, and are actively learning proper form 2) you are actually committed to getting frickin strong, which will require nasty gut wrenching squatting and a lot of it. It is not fun and easy. If you need fun and easy there are lots of other programs, they just won't get you frickin strong like SS will.

                  Oh, and here's how you know a weight is too heavy: You squat it down, and can't get it up despite pushing with every fiber of your being and you have to dump it in the safety pins. You curse a blue streak, rest five minutes, then try it again. Do that three workouts in a row and you can honestly say the weight is too heavy. "Feeling heavy" is exactly how it's supposed to feel - it's supposed to be the heaviest thing you've ever put on your back, every time.
                  If I ever take up SS again I'm going to contact you so you can guide me through a workout since we're somewhat nearby. For pointers and bro-hugs.
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                  • #24
                    haha! Yeah I'm so encouraging. I'm really a beginner at weight training, honestly I shouldn't really be posting this stuff. Check out the SS forum, there are a lot of seriously strong guys on there, I've learned a lot. They post vids and critique form as well.
                    If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                      OK you've been given the right advice. BTW, where the frick did you read to put on 15KG a week? 15 lb is less than half that, and that's only if you hit the squats.

                      DONT DO SS UNLESS: 1) you've read the book and understand it, and are actively learning proper form 2) you are actually committed to getting frickin strong, which will require nasty gut wrenching squatting and a lot of it. It is not fun and easy. If you need fun and easy there are lots of other programs, they just won't get you frickin strong like SS will.

                      Oh, and here's how you know a weight is too heavy: You squat it down, and can't get it up despite pushing with every fiber of your being and you have to dump it in the safety pins. You curse a blue streak, rest five minutes, then try it again. Do that three workouts in a row and you can honestly say the weight is too heavy. "Feeling heavy" is exactly how it's supposed to feel - it's supposed to be the heaviest thing you've ever put on your back, every time.
                      erm well i thought the plan was to put on weight every workout? and i squat 3 times a week? I understand that its supposed to be the heaviest ever haha!

                      I've had my technique checked by the coaches at the college so i'm happy with that, i just a little encouragement i guess, i dont know anyone else who likes to do anything apart from walking on the treadmill for 5mins once a month grr

                      Thanks again for all your advice, i'll get back on it Monday!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by grouchos_tash View Post
                        erm well i thought the plan was to put on weight every workout? and i squat 3 times a week? I understand that its supposed to be the heaviest ever haha!

                        I've had my technique checked by the coaches at the college so i'm happy with that, i just a little encouragement i guess, i dont know anyone else who likes to do anything apart from walking on the treadmill for 5mins once a month grr

                        Thanks again for all your advice, i'll get back on it Monday!
                        You do add weight every session for as long as you can while keeping form and hitting the set/rep numbers, but you should be adding 5lbs a session and not 5kg.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Adventure8410 View Post
                          You do add weight every session for as long as you can while keeping form and hitting the set/rep numbers, but you should be adding 5lbs a session and not 5kg.
                          Gotta love all the lame workouts at the college gyms, but what can ya do.
                          You add 5 ibs till you stall. Stalling being missing reps on a work out for two work outs in a row. Reset the weight 10 to 20% till you stall again. Reset again. Stall again. Reset Again. Begin microloading with 2.5 ibs. Stall. Reset. Stall. Reset. Stall. Reset.

                          Once you reach 2 x BW on squat look into the more advance weekly periodization routines.
                          If your food is fast, maybe you should fast.

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                          • #28
                            In the beginning you can get away with loading 5kg every workout, and when it gets hard you drop it down to 2.5kg, the goal isn't to stall. The goal is to continue to make linear gains as long as possible, if that means dropping the increase all the way down to 0.5kg every lift just to be able to increase it, then do that. What was heavy the workout before becomes not-so-heavy the next workout

                            I stopped adding +10lbs a lift a month ago for everything except deadlifts (Today was the end of week 8 for me).

                            Today my lifts were:
                            Squat 295lbs (3x5)
                            Military Press 150lbs (3x5)
                            Power Cleans 220lbs (5x3)
                            I didn't like the rules you gave me, so I made some of my own.

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                            • #29
                              Strength training is hard, but that's why it works. Use correct form and your joints should be fine.

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                              • #30
                                To answer another of your concerns:

                                Originally posted by grouchos_tash View Post
                                Also another point, i added 35kg to my squat. Did i really get that much stronger or could i have probably done it before but was just scared of adding weight?
                                I would guess some of both. Heavy Squats are "unknown territory" so it is common to begin tentatively. Secondly, many of the gains a beginner has are due to the Central Nervous System learning how to react. The CNS ramps-up pretty quickly, if I recall correctly.

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