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    Just curious if anyone out there doing the "primal" thing is a body builder or a fighter? If so, how does the lack of carbs year round affect your training and performance?


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    Not me. I'm actually a little sceptical of the way they blow out the upper body. Someone I know says people should always think in terms of lower body strength and upper-body freedom and that, relatively speaking, Arnold is the "wrong way up". I think he has a point, although many people probably don't think like me and do admire the "Arnold look".


    So it's not something I do, but I understand that many bodybuilders did used to eat rather like this. So it has been done - just not so much so recently, since most bodybuilders have essentially followed current fashions for low-fat diets like everyone else.


    One of these old-time people was Tony Sansone who recommended rich foods like raw milk, cream, butter, and eggs. He also recommended organ meats, such as liver, and cod liver oil and also some fruit and vegetables with wholegrains bringing up the rear.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Sansone


    He's not as big as they come now, but this was in the days before steroids.

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      Vince Gironda had (has?) one of the best bodies in body building, in my opinion, and he was an advocate of paleo eating.


      http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/becker25.htm


      Seems to not set him back one bit. Carbs aren't really a part of building muscle.

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        I am both, a bodybuilder and a boxer. Been doing the primal thing for 2 years now with one exception. I go nuts on Saturday night. From 6pm until I go to sleep, it's no holds barred, carb circus. It's a deviation of the anabolic diet, only I limit myself to a smaller window of carbing up. I've had significant gains both in muscle size and speed (two things that usually do not go together).

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          The body builders you are mentioning are all old school and none of them were really that big. Vince Gironda also used alot of what would now be known as pro-hormones and myostatin inhibitors. I know alot of guys will do a diet similar to Primal pre-contest to cut up but I know they do so at the cost of muscle tissue. Do you guys think this type of diet could sustain a 225+ pnd bodybuilder over the course of time? Not busting balls, just looking for opinions. Also I'm curious what your pre-fight training routine looks like princess.

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            Fisch, go check out some of the bodybuilding nutrition articles and discussions on Testosterone Nation's website. I'm pretty sure nobody's gonna tell that you'll lose muscle by not eating carbs. It's all about the protein and total calories.

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              PrimalJewishA--What carbs do you carb up with?? I've tried that before and seem to lose all self-control with the carbs. I'm curious as to what your carb ups entail? =)

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                ummm primal is NOT necessarily low carb, just lower. Christian Thibaudeau basically recommends eating primaly, geting carbs from fruits and veggies...insulin is important for building mass..with bodybuilding it's all about TIMING the carbs

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                  Pre-fight training looks just like any other day. Are you speaking in terms of food intake or workouts? Training wise, I run 3 miles a day, 6 days a week. In addition, I do 1 day of technique, 3-4 days of weights, and 2 days of circuit/crossfit/intervals, etc.

                  @Hannahm34 - If I am below all week, Saturday is whatever goes, good carbs or bad. Now, let me set this out there, this ISN'T primal. If I wasn't working out the way I do, then I wouldn't have a carb up at all, it isn't necessary unless you are working out intensely and/or you are looking to build mass.

                  I eat primally 6 days a week (or I try, have been off the wagon a bit), and Saturdays are my 80%, I guess, but it works better for the goals I have set for myself.

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                    PJAP, I like your honesty. I, too, treat Saturdays as my 20%. I feel that I work out pretty intensely and, being that I've always had an "all or nothing" mentality, falling off the wagon occasionally helps me to stay there most of the time. Do you find your subsequent 'clean' days harder after a carb binge?


                    The strange thing for me is that I seem to plateau with my weight (still trying to shed the rest of my baby pounds around my middle) while eating Primal, but after a weekend of all out gluttony, the scale dips a pound or two. It's almost as though my body is saying "oh, cool, we're not starving after all so I guess I can give up these couple of pounds".

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                      I have a lot of friends who are fitness figure pros (or pro-wannabes) and find they they are usually very low carb 2 - 3 weeks out, otherwise, they carb-cycle, with a re-feed. This refeed is very timed in relation to their show date and future low-carb week. The problem is, they are also low-fat too. Chicken & broccoli, chicken and broccoli, tuna & broccoli, fish & broccoli.....


                      Then, their recarb/ refeed days consist of fruits and oats.

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                        @Elana - ironic that you should ask. If you asked me that question a few months ago I would have said no, food is fuel and that's that. It isn't hard to give up carbs once you realize that food isn't anything other than fuel. However, it's been a rough couple of months for me. I got laid off in April and since then I am all out of whack as far as a schedule goes. I made a commitment to myself to get back on track starting today. So yes, eating clean after a weekend has been a bit more difficult recently, but I am working on changing that. And it isn't strange that you lose weight after a re-feed. Everyone's (healthy) body wants to stay in balance. If you "binge" once a week, that is alarming to your body and it works harder to burn off the excess. You'll recognize this after a refeed when you go to bed and sweat like a dock worker in 100 degree heat!


                        @SassaFrass - I eat a little lower fat than the average PB-er. My protein is always higher than my fat %.

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                          I eat a few more carbs to replenish glycogen stores when training BJJ, but my carb sources remain primal. Sweet potatoes are my favorite carb source when powerlifting or training really hard.


                          The key is to listen to your body.

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