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    Hi Everyone,

    I am a 42-year-old woman who is 30lbs overweight. I went to a nutritionist and she put me on this diet. I have done Atkins about 12 years ago and lost 50lbs, (20 in the first month) but have slowly gained it back. I have been following this plan religiously for 2 months and I am not losing any weight. Not only that I have not lost any fat, gained any muscle, and my BMI has not changed. I bought some keto sticks and I am barely registering a trace. In addition I am sleeping, but I awake exhausted. On Atkins I slept like a rock. I am weirdly stuck. We have tweaked and tweaked. My nutritionist is stumped. I don't feel particularly hungry and I eat a large amount of dairy, meat and non-starchy veggies (I even cut out fruit). Should I add more fat to my diet? Is it the sleep? Anyone want to throw a theory out there and give me an idea how to get unstuck.

    Thanks,

  • #2
    Maybe cut out the dairy and add a little bit of fruit. Are you exercising at all?
    M/35/5'10"
    SW: 325lbs
    Paleo start: 2/6/2013 @303lbs


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    • #3
      talk about your dietary intake a little more- eg how much large amount of dairy and what is it?
      When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
      27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
      new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CarbDodger View Post
        talk about your dietary intake a little more- eg how much large amount of dairy and what is it?
        Dairy is always a killer for me. It's so easy to ingest A LOT more calories then you think with dairy products.

        Seeing as there's nothing you particularly NEED from dairy if you've cut the rest of the garbage from you lifestyle, I too would suggest minimizing the dairy in your life for a few weeks and see how it goes.
        Yes, I'm a real person.

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        • #5
          CarbDodger-As far a dairy-I have a slice of cheese on my eggs and two tbs heavy whipping cream at breakfast, a babybel as a snack and a two tablespoons of feta or parmasan at lunch. I didn't meant to say I ate large amounts of dairy. I had a brain hiccup. Otherwise I have big salads with lots of veggies and grilled chicken with homemade salad dressings (no sugar). Or some type of grilled veggies and meat. No sugar, flour or starches of any kind.

          Harpua-Yes, I workout for 30min cardio and 10-15 minutes weights 6 days a week.

          Bemental-I am confused. I thought we were not supposed to be counting calories.

          Jen
          Last edited by JASchewe; 07-30-2013, 07:52 PM.

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          • #6
            Jen, I am respectfully curious about the quantities of food you're eating, especially salads and low-fat meats, because although primal mainly does away with the need to count calories due to the absence of starchy non-satiating foods, your body is still a body and will react to a caloric excess past a certain point by storing fat, or at least not burning any off.

            I'm not asking you to tell me what you eat but have a think about it, and maybe add up the numbers from one day to see where you're at?

            I'm also curious about grilling meat - are you avoiding fat in general to eat? If that's the case, your body may still be turning excess protein into carbohydrate, and so still not have reached the fat-burning metabolism you want, which is why a lot of Atkins/paleo etc type diets say high fat, moderate protein, and low carb as their guideline.

            If you find you NEED to snack between meals, or feel very much better when you do, this could perhaps indicate you still have a carb-burning, not fat-burning, metabolism that needs regular refuelling - at least as far as I understand the issue.

            I'm no expert but from lots of reading, those are the questions that come to mind, and I wish you good luck getting this solved!
            Last edited by Lady D; 07-31-2013, 07:41 AM.

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            • #7
              ketosticks arent always reliable but it seems something is keeping you out of ketosis. too much protein kicks me out so i'd concur with lady D. track protein, stay around 100-150 if you can,you dont need to go high fat but you might need to increase it a bit
              When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
              27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
              new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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              • #8
                Lady D and CarbDodger

                Here is a sample of my typical day.

                Breakfast-2 eggs scrambled with 2 tbs heavy whipping cream, 2 oz diced turkey ham, and 1 slice Swiss cheese. 1 Avocado.
                Lunch-2 cups romaine lettuce with 10 kalamata olives, 1/2 English cucumber, 1/2 Roma tomato, 4 oz grilled chicken breast, 2 tbs feta cheese, and 2 tbs homemade Greek dressing (olive oil, vinegar, lemon juice, and oregano).
                Snack-1 Babybel cheese round with 1 bell pepper (red, orange, or yellow) sliced
                Dinner-4 oz grilled chicken breast with grilled asparagus tossed in olive oil and spices before cooking.

                That is pretty much it. What do you think? I usually register between 1200 and 1400 calories, with the majority of it being the meat.

                CarbDodger-is the 100-150 grams of protein?

                Jen

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                • #9
                  I'm absolutely no expert but I can say that looks to me like the sample low-fat meal recommended in many magazines, the only thing they wouldn't have is the heavy cream with the eggs, but the "good" avocado and olive oil would be there.

                  I can't authoritatively tell you that if you eat more fat, you'll lose weight, but it does seem to be a bit low compared to what many people, myself included, are eating most days.

                  Edit to add, how do you think your carb intake now compares to before this recent change to prmal, and have you experimented with upping your carbs by having say a bit of potato, and dropping other macros slightly for one day to see if that had any effect?
                  Last edited by Lady D; 07-31-2013, 04:56 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JASchewe View Post
                    CarbDodger-As far a dairy-I have a slice of cheese on my eggs and two tbs heavy whipping cream at breakfast, a babybel as a snack and a two tablespoons of feta or parmasan at lunch. I didn't meant to say I ate large amounts of dairy. I had a brain hiccup. Otherwise I have big salads with lots of veggies and grilled chicken with homemade salad dressings (no sugar). Or some type of grilled veggies and meat. No sugar, flour or starches of any kind.

                    Harpua-Yes, I workout for 30min cardio and 10-15 minutes weights 6 days a week.

                    Bemental-I am confused. I thought we were not supposed to be counting calories.

                    Jen
                    Not counting, merely a personal observation from my own eating habits. For me, dairy makes it way too easy to imbibe more calories then I intend to due to their... concentrated nature. Additionally, dairy does weird things to a lot of people's bodies (lactose intolerance anyone?). And as stated magnificently by Lady D, "your body is still a body and will react to a caloric excess past a certain point by storing fat, or at least not burning any off."

                    Checking out your breakfast, I see a lot of dairy there in the form of: whipping cream, Swiss cheese, feta cheese, babybel cheese. Not necessarily bad, but since we're nitpicking to get to the bottom of this issue, it's something to keep in mind.

                    My final observation is the fat content, as also addressed by Lady D. Majority of the fat in your diet seems to be coming from, yet again, the dairy monster. Great on you for the avocado and olive oil, but that's basically the end of it. I have a feeling it might be a budget constraint (deli turkey, "grilled chicken breasts" frequently ring home as a cheaper variety of meat), and believe me I understand, but perhaps if we reduced the dairy and increase the fats in the healthiest manner possible (coconut oil, avocados and olive oil as you're already doing) we'd see a much starker transformation of your body from sugar burning to fat burning.


                    Merely food for though (pun!). All respectfully submitted of course!
                    Yes, I'm a real person.

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                    • #11
                      I had this problem at one point and it turned out I wasn't getting enough fat in. I started putting 2 - 3 tea spoons over every meal and now my weight loss has dramatically increased =)

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                      • #12
                        Lady D and Bemental-Thanks for your response. I am trying to break the bad habits that I have learned such as "grilled chicken breast are lean meat and fat is bad," even if it is free-range or grass-fed. I tend to buy more organic foods and have a Whole Foods and Trader Joe's about a mile away that I shop at regularly. I think I am just woefully overwhelmed and Atkins is/was not organic focused, so I have to unlearn old ways of eating. I can cut back on the dairy, but do you have any suggestions on how to add more good fats into my diet? Maybe I should just start drinking coconut oil.

                        (Edit to add, how do you think your carb intake now compares to before this recent change to prmal, and have you experimented with upping your carbs by having say a bit of potato, and dropping other macros slightly for one day to see if that had any effect? )

                        Lady D-I think you are asking of when I switched from Atkins to Primal, but I went all the way crazy for a few years before that, so I was eating grains, sugars, etc. I have tended to stay toward the Atkins side and completely eliminated starches and higher carb foods. I had a potato the other night and I felt like I had broken a cardinal rule. Do you think my carbs are to low for proper body function? I could do more sweet potatoes, spaghetti squash, etc., which have a higher carb count.

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                        • #13
                          JamieRobo27-What type of fat did you use?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JASchewe View Post
                            I had a potato the other night and I felt like I had broken a cardinal rule. Do you think my carbs are to low for proper body function? I could do more sweet potatoes, spaghetti squash, etc., which have a higher carb count.
                            I honestly don't know, sorry, I only mentioned it because if you've been low-carb, I mean relatively, for a fairly long while now, and nothing happening, it's just another thing to think about changing the numbers up later on. There are people all over the spectrum on this forum alone in terms of how many grams of carbs they eat per day, and that, to me, indicates it's a highly personal thing.

                            If it was me I'd try upping the fats first, see how that goes, because your fat intake is quite low, then maybe look at changing something else later on if you don't see any changes.

                            Last year I kept a food diary, to log calories in, and recently I totalled up five average days when I had about 1600cals/day, and there was an average of about 250g/day carbs in those foods, I was eating both butter and red meat at that point though, and I know in my low-fat vegetarian days that total would have been much, MUCH, higher, since my only source of protein was pulses and grains, a bit of dairy, and I didn't use much fat at all.

                            I was between 120 - 80g/day recently for a few months, which I adopted to try out Mark's "Primal Curve" thing, currently hovering around 50g though that IS only an experiment to see how it affects me, and whether it changes anything, I don't really plan to stay there for too long, someone told me offlist that it's probably just too high for ketosis and a bit low for including my "20%" stuff like the odd bit of milk chocolate, or whatever.

                            That experiment's mainly to see if 50g reduces my cravings for carby stuff after a long walk, and I haven't had the time for any in the past few days!

                            So not much help there, sorry!!

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                            • #15
                              Unless your really petite, that seems like not enough food/calories. A lot of people wont loose weight if there caloriesare to low, your body thinks its not getting enough and hoards all its got.
                              As mentioned the dairy could be an issue. Some people are fine with it but others it seems to stall any weight loss and the only way to know if its causing you problems would be to cut it out compleatly for a while (at least a month)
                              And add more fat,butter, duck fat,goose fat etc for cooking,more fatty meat. Coconut oil etc
                              Every time I hear the dirty word 'exercise', I wash my mouth out with chocolate.

                              http://primaldog.blogspot.co.uk/

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