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  • #76
    Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
    Any former vegans here who would like to chime in? Or even anyone else who feels they can help me figure some things out? It may sound silly to some, but it's really upsetting to me to even be considering a different way of eating than I've convinced myself is the *right* and *good* way.
    I was vegetarian for 20+ years for the same ethical reasons, and only changed my mind when I saw my lovely dog come down with cancer, and realised through seeing that that NO animal in the wild dies a nice, humane, fear-free death, they either fall sick and starve/dehydrate to death, in pain and fear (animals don't have the same philosophical and abstract-thought based coping mechanisms for fear when ill as we do - I've seen it in my dogs' eyes when they fell sick, even when just an injury from which they recovered), or are eaten by predators when they've become too sick to defend themselves, or they're torn apart anyway just because they're the weakest in the herd, pack, or whatever.

    I'm sure you'd agree with me that any pet owner who doesn't have their cat, dog, whatever put down humanely once they can't move about, eat & drink etc, and instead lets them die of the disease (or, worse, shoves them into some wilderness to let predators, including rats and insects, tuck into the still living, sick, frightened animal) is some kind of monster - well, that's nature. The best most animals can hope for is a quick clean kill by a predator.

    That's where I now place us, as humans, and why I eat meat, though I do as vigilantly and meticulously challenge myself to buy from sellers with high animal welfare standards (and support charities like Compassion In World Farming) so it doesn't need to be all or nothing, love animals or not give a damn.

    For me, eating meat now isn't about pleasure, per se, it's about health, and when you think of the millions of animals per year that die truly miserable and usually pointless deaths in testing labs as companies seek to come up with new medications to treat obesity-related illnesses, the best animal-welfare act of all is to help move society towards greater health via sound nutrition.

    But nature's a cruel thing in itself and a non-botched slaughter in a western slaughterhouse is always still going to be kinder than anything natural life, eg, if humans ceased farming, could deliver.

    You might want to look up slaughterhouse protocols yourself, I did, they're not THAT bad, it's the botched slaughters and cruelty that usually stem from an underpaid workforce we still very much need to be active stamping out - ironically, that won't happen if it's just hardcore vegans versus meat freaks who don't give a damn, so if you become a consumer of meat products, you'll be very well placed to REALLY make a differece, through what you buy, and what you discuss with other people.

    Good luck!
    Last edited by Lady D; 08-08-2013, 06:52 AM.

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    • #77
      Nice to meet you, LadyD - and thank you for such an insightful post! I find myself agreeing with pretty much everything you wrote - even if I don't want to believe or agree with all of it.

      ..so it doesn't need to be all or nothing, love animals or not give a damn.
      THIS is one of the biggest things I am working on truly understanding. I think I am getting it...slowly but surely.

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      • #78
        Quick update for any who are interested, because I got the results of a ton of labwork back today.

        Apparently the doctor thinks I DID have strep a few months ago that was never treated, which could be causing some issues still. I'm also pretty low on Vitamin D and "borderline" for lupus.

        So....yeah. About all I know! Will probably be seeing a rheumatologist. And still don't really know what the heck I should be eating.

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        • #79
          Hi LibbyLou,

          I was raw high carb vegan for 3 years. Gotta say I felt pretty good and my blood work was outstanding. My biggest problem was that first, it seemed like I was hungry all the time. I would literally eat up to 15 lbs of food a day. Also, it was tough in social situations. Living in the mid-west, people look at you like you have a 3rd eye or something. So, after researching primal/ paleo. Decided to try it about 2 months ago.
          My advise to you is don't over think it. Eat primarily whole foods, supplement with vitamin D (I also take magnesium), stay away from grains. On occasion eat your slice of pizza or piece of cake guilt free.
          Enjoy life!

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          • #80
            I'm an ex vegan, nearly 5 years; at least 3 of those were a raw vegan. The science and nutrition led me here. And the ethics. Veganism is detached from life and causes more suffering and damage to the environment and animals, than properly sourced (good farms, pastured, etc) animal foods. I eased into paleo/primal on instinct basically. First vegetarian, then I removed the dairy and started on only fish and beef/bison/lamb, and worked in from there. Now I'm even eating bacon lol

            I understand the confusion, conflicts and how this seems to run contrary to everything we know.... But all I can say is be willing to study - and you seem to be - and be willing to shift your paradigms.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
              Will probably be seeing a rheumatologist. And still don't really know what the heck I should be eating.
              If you end up being diagnosed with lupus, you might want to look into the paleo auto-immune protocol (lots of info on thepaleomom.com and robbwolf.com).

              Good luck.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Mini_mi View Post
                My advise to you is don't over think it. Eat primarily whole foods, supplement with vitamin D (I also take magnesium), stay away from grains. On occasion eat your slice of pizza or piece of cake guilt free.
                Enjoy life!
                Thank you - this is what I am going to try to do!

                Originally posted by Shield_Maiden View Post
                I understand the confusion, conflicts and how this seems to run contrary to everything we know.... But all I can say is be willing to study - and you seem to be - and be willing to shift your paradigms.
                Thanks for your feedback. It is hard, but I AM willing to learn and grow, so there's that.

                Originally posted by upupandaway View Post
                If you end up being diagnosed with lupus, you might want to look into the paleo auto-immune protocol (lots of info on thepaleomom.com and robbwolf.com).

                Good luck.
                Thank you so much! Will check those links out. My doctor has just called in my Vitamin D prescription today and also antibiotics (yuck, but I think they are actually necessary this time) for the lingering strep antibodies. She wasn't going to do anything about that, but I started getting a slight sore throat last night and now today it just feels kinda icky, so I spoke to her and she's treating it.

                Thanks again to everyone for your input and helpful feedback.

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                • #83
                  Hey there, please make sure that you are getting Vitamin D3 in your prescription. Doctors often prescribe D2 and it doesn't really do anything. You can get liquid D3 supplements from supplement stores or from sites like Amazon or Vitacost.com. Just make sure the oil it's suspended in is olive oil, not soybean!
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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                    Hey there, please make sure that you are getting Vitamin D3 in your prescription. Doctors often prescribe D2 and it doesn't really do anything. You can get liquid D3 supplements from supplement stores or from sites like Amazon or Vitacost.com. Just make sure the oil it's suspended in is olive oil, not soybean!
                    Funny you should say that - my doctor did originally prescribe D2 and it took 3 days for me to get it changed to D3. BUT now I am again confused because she had me taking 50,000 IU of the D2 for 7 weeks but when my DH finally brought the D3 from the pharmacy this evening, it was just an OTC bottle with an Rx label slapped on it. Each pill is 5,000 IU and she prescribed 2 a week for like 10 weeks. But on the bottle for just normal usage it says take one a day! SO frustrated and confused!

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
                      Funny you should say that - my doctor did originally prescribe D2 and it took 3 days for me to get it changed to D3. BUT now I am again confused because she had me taking 50,000 IU of the D2 for 7 weeks but when my DH finally brought the D3 from the pharmacy this evening, it was just an OTC bottle with an Rx label slapped on it. Each pill is 5,000 IU and she prescribed 2 a week for like 10 weeks. But on the bottle for just normal usage it says take one a day! SO frustrated and confused!
                      So your doctor thinks you only need 1.3k IU a day. That doesn't seem like much at all. It should be 5k IU a day shouldn't it? (of course, the RDA is 0.4k IU, so maybe your doc things they are being generous)
                      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                      Griff's cholesterol primer
                      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
                        I do have a confession to make, that will more than likely make me the laughingstock of this whole thread so far - just thinking about those pigs and cows being butchered (still can't watch that happen) is literally making me want to cry. Ugh. I am going to HAVE to get over this, I know. But it's hard for me, as silly as it may be.

                        Okay, slinking into the corner now.......
                        Roadkill? No, seriously - wild animals, eating a wild diet killed by accident just going to waste .........
                        I don't ask that you like me - all I ask is that you respect my life experiences and i will do the same.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by MIstressKiki View Post
                          Roadkill? No, seriously - wild animals, eating a wild diet killed by accident just going to waste .........
                          +1

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
                            I hope I haven't been sanctimonious and a hypocrite over the past few years over my choices (because even before I went totally vegan, I was mainly concerned about the animals), but I have a fear that maybe I have been. And I am truly seeing the error of my ways, much to my own dismay. I think I have been very myopic when it comes to it all, but at least I am seeing that now.
                            LibbyLou I congratulate you on seeing the light after a mere 2 1/2 years.

                            For myself I followed CW for more than 20 years, continually feeling more and more blah as I continued to dilute the nutritional value of my meals (and those of my husband and growing children) with more and more bread pasta and rice and potatoes, less and less meat and eggs, more and more vegetable oil, less and less butter and cream etc etc. All the while believing that my blood pressure, weight gain, sluggishness bloating even insomnia and achy finger joints couldn't possibly have anything to do with my wholesome-as-I-saw-it diet. I was adamant that I was doing the best for my health and that of my family, though the results were not what I had been led to believe they would be.

                            Embracing the primal foods - and rejecting the grains and oils that had seemed so desirable before - took a change of mindset as well as a change of habit. But it really wasn't long before the results proved I was on track. Now I'm just mad and disbelieving that I stayed with that path for so long! It seems obvious now, I can't see how it wasn't at the time.

                            Good luck on your primal journey.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
                              Funny you should say that - my doctor did originally prescribe D2 and it took 3 days for me to get it changed to D3. BUT now I am again confused because she had me taking 50,000 IU of the D2 for 7 weeks but when my DH finally brought the D3 from the pharmacy this evening, it was just an OTC bottle with an Rx label slapped on it. Each pill is 5,000 IU and she prescribed 2 a week for like 10 weeks. But on the bottle for just normal usage it says take one a day! SO frustrated and confused!

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                              I don't have links right now, but basically, that's not nearly enough to deal with a deficiency. At least 5000 IU per day would be good, for several months, but you can safely take up to 20,000 IU per day. I never listen to doctors when it comes to dealing with Vitamin D and I rarely listen to labels when it comes with how to take my supplements.
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                              • #90
                                I recently went to a local green party meeting and afterwards three of us were having drinks - one person assumed that because I was interested in the green party I would be a vegetarian. I explained that I feel strongly against factory farming but am not a vegetarian, but she wasn't impressed. She has been a vegan for 25 years.

                                It turns out that there are plenty of people in the green party who are not vegetarians, but they all pay lip service to vegetarianism, in other words, you are accepted so long as you recognize the moral superiority of vegetarianism and when questioned on it, nod in agreement about how everyone should be veggie.

                                The irony is that I probably eat more vegetables and fruit than the average vegan who also eats bread and pasta etc. I also fully agree that raw veganism , and especially fruitarianism, has massive benefits, I believe that the ideal diet is probably as much raw fruit and veg as possible, plus fish, organ meats, some starches and bone broth.

                                There seems to be a debate between the raw vegan/fruitarian on one hand and the low carb paleo on the other hand. In fact the best diet, as far as I can see, is to combine the two - they are sides of the same coin as far as I can see.
                                Healthy is the new wealthy.

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