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  • #46
    JoanieL, thanks! I have a few farms that are local to me that I am going to check out. DH bought some eggs last night from the grocery store, but I made sure he got the ones that I felt were the best option as far as humanely raised, etc. I had two for breakfast, woot!

    I do have a confession to make, that will more than likely make me the laughingstock of this whole thread so far - just thinking about those pigs and cows being butchered (still can't watch that happen) is literally making me want to cry. Ugh. I am going to HAVE to get over this, I know. But it's hard for me, as silly as it may be.

    Okay, slinking into the corner now.......

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    • #47
      Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
      I do have a confession to make, that will more than likely make me the laughingstock of this whole thread so far - just thinking about those pigs and cows being butchered (still can't watch that happen) is literally making me want to cry. Ugh. I am going to HAVE to get over this, I know. But it's hard for me, as silly as it may be.
      Accept that death is necessary to life. Nothing lives except at the expense of other life. This is what it means to be part of the world. Today, the pig must die so that you can live. Tomorrow, you must die to feed the worms. This is taking your place. Denying it (veganism) is blasphemy. Acknowledging it sacred. Not easy, but honest.
      The Champagne of Beards

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      • #48
        I love what FW wrote. We too give thanks when we eat, even though we are not religious. Most of the meals we eat are comprised of foods we've either grown/raised ourselves or are from farmers we know, when we eat we think of them. When my husband raised our pigs he took care to make sure their needs were met, when it was time to kill them it was done respectfully w/o unnecessary stress. Taking a life is not something that should be done lightly and it follows that the food that comes from doing so should not be wasted.
        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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        • #49
          Very well said, Finnegans Wake.
          If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

          Originally posted by tfarny
          If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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          • #50
            Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
            JoanieL, thanks! I have a few farms that are local to me that I am going to check out. DH bought some eggs last night from the grocery store, but I made sure he got the ones that I felt were the best option as far as humanely raised, etc. I had two for breakfast, woot!

            I do have a confession to make, that will more than likely make me the laughingstock of this whole thread so far - just thinking about those pigs and cows being butchered (still can't watch that happen) is literally making me want to cry. Ugh. I am going to HAVE to get over this, I know. But it's hard for me, as silly as it may be.

            Okay, slinking into the corner now.......
            i don't like the thought of animals being killed either, it's okay. i'd have to be in some kind of starvation trouble to make myself kill a deer

            wrapped-up-in-packages-meat is delicious, but i don't intentionally correlate it to the animal having to die before i can eat the delicious steak

            conversely i can handle a carcass someone else killed with ease, and it's therapeutic to section it down into parts. first time i man-handled a duck body? total meditation
            beautiful
            yeah you are

            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
            lol

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            • #51
              Here are some random links to ex-vegans who traveled a road similar to yours. Hopefully they will give you some insight or comfort? Good luck on your journey.

              http://letthemeatmeat.com/tagged/ExVegan_Interviews
              A Vegan No More - The Story of a Recovering Vegan at Diet & Nutrition Support Forum crossposted to News forum, extra content: embedded image, threadID=1728051
              Vegan no more
              JoreyTK
              Low Carb since August 2010

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              • #52
                Thank you so much, FW for your wonderfully thought out (beautiful, really!) reply - that makes so much sense. It truly does. And thanks to everyone else who is replying as well. It's helping me a lot in coming to terms with the fact that I just may need to eat some meat every now and then. I think I'm totally back on board with eggs, but the meat may take some more time.

                I'm really not sure how I might transition back into it yet. I do know that I won't go back to eating any and all, like I did before I became vegan (pepperoni, sausage, bacon, etc.). My whole goal here is to just be the healthiest I can be while still respecting and giving thanks for any animals I do eat. I am just so tired of being exhausted from the time I wake up to the time I go to bed, having zero energy, being depressed, and so on. My problem may not be my diet, like I've said before, but I just have a nagging feeling that it could be and that this way of eating (and lifestyle in general) makes so much sense that it's what I need.

                I have to say though, I think it's consuming me a little too much this past week or so. I had a dental appointment that took longer than what I anticipated today and by the time I was done I was famished. I had to pick my son up at my sister-in-law's and as soon as I walked in I was offered these donuts she had made - my son insisted because they were SO delicious and wouldn't you know, she made them with no eggs and almond milk, just so I could try. I didn't even think twice, I downed one in a split second. Then remembered, oh yeah, I'm trying to cut out sugar (sprinkled on top), flour, etc. Then I got a little mad at myself and THEN I started thinking that this whole business of being SO mindful of what I eat is just crazy and I had a moment where I wanted to eat ALL THE THINGS, not caring what they were. Gah! My semi-Paleo friend says that's normal and it gets better.......I sure hope so.

                I also feel like I'm just plain tired of being the odd one when I go to other people's houses, restaurants, etc. It's been a real PITA at times since I've been vegan, and from what I'm reading and finding out, it may not be much better on this type of plan.
                Any insight, tips, advice? I know that in the grand scheme of things, if my goal is to be the healthiest I can be and to be able to really LIVE my life, it shouldn't bother me if I have to be the odd one, make special request, etc. But it just gets irritating.

                Please everyone, keep posting! I need all the support and advice I can get here!

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by JoreyTK View Post
                  Here are some random links to ex-vegans who traveled a road similar to yours. Hopefully they will give you some insight or comfort? Good luck on your journey.

                  Let Them Eat Meat
                  A Vegan No More - The Story of a Recovering Vegan at Diet & Nutrition Support Forum crossposted to News forum, extra content: embedded image, threadID=1728051
                  Vegan no more
                  Thank you so much! These are the kinds of things I've been reading about and I am always open to reading more.

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                  • #54
                    And tell me, anyone - am I making this WAY too harder than it needs to be?!! Just be brutally honest.

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                    • #55
                      yeah
                      beautiful
                      yeah you are

                      Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                      lol

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                      • #56
                        Thanks, bloodorchid, I kinda figured as much.

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                        • #57
                          just remember the 80/20 rule. there are gonna be times you'll be around less than optimal food

                          just do what you can, try not to become a perfectionist because you'll have a bad time
                          beautiful
                          yeah you are

                          Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                          lol

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                          • #58
                            Just had to post and say that I also like your avatar

                            And good for you for being so open-minded about possibly switching from being vegan, I think many aren't, and their health suffers for it. Primal really is pretty straightforward once you get the hang of it, so don't stress yourself out too much

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                            • #59
                              Perhaps ease in to it a bit. Buy bones from the market and make chicken stock. The animals were not killed for those parts - they really are just leftovers that would otherwise go to waste. Chicken stock is very nutritious and you can pack it full of whatever veggies you want and some sea salt.

                              -You could also try easing in with a bit of seafood here and there. Salmon or shrimp would be a great addition to your diet. I believe I had read that the wife of Mark Sisson is actually a primal pescatarian.

                              -Cook your veggies in rendered beef tallow or lard. Again, this is a product that would otherwise go to waste. So you are just making the best use of an animal that was already killed.

                              -Finally, if there is any way to add some chicken liver to your diet, you could get a LOT of vitamins and mineral that you are missing from a very tiny amount of food. These are often thrown out in the US. I hate liver and it is tough to eat, but so nutritious and prevents the waste. I make Julia Child's Liver Mousse recipe with a half an apple added in to the recipe. It is actually good.

                              While not all of us came from veganism, at some point or another most of us that are here had to look at our way of eating and honestly say this isn't working for me. Low fat/high carb, veganism, SAD..... the important part is that you are not following anyone blindly. Find what works for you, both physically and emotionally.
                              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by LibbyLou View Post
                                And tell me, anyone - am I making this WAY too harder than it needs to be?!! Just be brutally honest.
                                Yes and no.

                                Yes because you've surrounded yourself with the vegan idealism for the last two and a half years that eating any sort of animal product is the equivalent to some sort of genocide mass murder. Mentally it's very difficult to shift from such a polarizing thought process. The mind is a powerful thing and trying to overcome that is very difficult. It truly is a journey from veganism to omnivorism (is that even a word?). Don't rush it, let it take its course and find out what works best for you. You don't have to start eating rare ribeye steaks right away. You're on the right path by incorporating some eggs first. Keep that up, eventually when you have the courage try some meat, then work your way from there. Just listen to your body, trust it.

                                Now that you have eating some eggs over the last couple days, how have you been feeling?
                                Last edited by JoreyTK; 07-19-2013, 06:26 AM.
                                JoreyTK
                                Low Carb since August 2010

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