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  • Dedicated mom trying to help her 15 yr old son

    Hi Everyone,

    I'll keep this short. I have a just turned 15yr old son, who has finally decided to get himself into shape. I promise his eating habits weren't horrible since I buy all the food and cook, however he seems to have the unfortunate problem of not burning off anything. I don't fry foods, we eat plenty of chicken, seafood, veggies, fruit. I just don't want you to get the idea that we are a junk food / fast food kind of family.

    He is 245# and 6', has a more solid build, wide shoulders and carries most of his weight in his mid-section. He has now started weight training and since I have no clue about this and didn't want him to hurt himself or get discouraged from no results I hired a trainer who works with him 2-days a week (1/2hr sessions). He has been doing this for about 5 weeks and we are noticing some positive changes . I can ask his trainer anything, he is a great guy, but I am "paying him" so I would like some outside info just for myself.

    Question 1
    I was told after the first few weeks he should take a protein shake after the workout to help with soreness.
    After research and talking to people I opted for Whey - is this the correct choice? Also how many shakes should he consume a day, I read on the label only one but if he has 2 would that also be ok? ( I just don't want to do anything that would cause him un-necessary weight gain. (no laughter I new to this and trying)

    Question 2
    He trains hard with his trainer 2x a week. I have read different things that training everyday is not good for him at all, however I go to the gym myself almost everyday for cardio and working different muscles on different days and he wants to come with me everytime I go. Is it ok for him to workout everyday if he isn't working the same muscle group? I understand doing cardio when your trying to build muscle is counter productive so he refuses to do more than 10minutes cardio on any day. He really has a goal of looking different when school starts up again in two months and I hate to tell him he can't go to the gym everyday when I do it myself...any suggestions?

    Thanks so much for any help or advise you can give!!!!

    Jeff's mom

  • #2
    Whey is a good choice if he tolerates dairy, but what do you mean you bought shakes? Did you buy powder, or something liquid? What's the nutrition data and ingredient list?

    1/2 an hour 2 days a week probably isn't enough to maximize his progress. He will probably benefit best from about 3 days a week of progressive compound lifts with a barbell. The trainer should teach him to squat, deadlift, standing press, bench press, and power clean, and then you won't need to pay him any more (assuming your son is mathematically capable of adding 5 to other numbers all by himself).

    Save the money you're spending on a trainer and buy him a copy of Starting Strength, Basic Barbell Training, 3rd Edition by Mark Rippetoe. And let him eat.
    The Champagne of Beards

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    • #3
      I didn't buy shakes I bought whey that you make shakes out of, he uses non fat milk. I wish I didn't have to spend the money on a trainer however at this point he really needs someone to show him, push him and encourage him. I will tell you for a 15 year old going into a gym and trying to work out with mostly fit, adult males is very intimadating to him and just having a trainer for these few weeks gave him the confidence to go workout by himself. I do not consider the money I am spending to be a waste, I feel as long as he puts in the effort which he is, and that I see results, that it is money well spent. and where did you get the impression I don't let him eat, at 245# you think he doesn't eat?
      Last edited by jeffmom; 07-02-2013, 01:05 PM.

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      • #4
        Is it the effort that counts, or the results that you're after? If it's only the "putting in of effort," then why did you ask the original question? If he wants to actually achieve something, you should spend the $25 on the book I mentioned. The book is written for a different audience than these articles, but I'll post them anyway, because you should read them. So should Junior.

        T NATION | The Biggest Training Fallacy of All
        T NATION | Rippetoe Throws Down
        The Champagne of Beards

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        • #5
          I cant advise you but wanted to say what a great attitude you have; your sons getting a brilliant start into his adulthood and you sound like a brilliant mom
          When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
          27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
          new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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          • #6
            I'm sorry Rich it seems your reading my whole post wrong. I am not here asking if my decission to get a trainer was the right thing to do, nor did I ask about books to buy. Thanks for your imput but not what I was looking for and in no way did it help with my questions.

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            • #7
              Hi Jeffmom, I agree your son is fortunate to have you backing him all the way and it sounds like he is off to a great start with basic good eating and his weight training. He will be able to make a lot of progress during the next few weeks.

              Since you have a trainer for the physical side it would be great for you to educate yourself more on the nutrition side. Reading a lot round this site so that you understand the primal principles would be a good start. You may need to learn new ways of cooking in order to avoid unhealthy oils and lots of pasta etc.

              Here is a thread which shows how lots of people approach this : http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread89457.html

              I have found that going to primal has changed my enjoyment of both cooking and eating for the better.
              Annie Ups the Ante
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread117711.html

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              • #8
                Originally posted by jeffmom View Post
                I'm sorry Rich it seems your reading my whole post wrong. I am not here asking if my decission to get a trainer was the right thing to do, nor did I ask about books to buy. Thanks for your imput but not what I was looking for and in no way did it help with my questions.
                You wanted to know if whey was a good choice and if letting him lift every day is a good idea. I offered my opinions on both of those questions. You didn't like the answers I gave, or the advice of where you could further research the issue on your own, and that's fine. Lose the entitled attitude though, it's not becoming.
                The Champagne of Beards

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                • #9
                  Thanks Annie - I'll take a look at that link.

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                  • #10
                    Sure whatever you say Rich, but I don't feel entitled, however I do now feel that you are not a very nice person and I would rather you would keep yourself out of my thread. Maybe go read a book instead.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jeffmom View Post
                      Sure whatever you say Rich, but I don't feel entitled, however I do now feel that you are not a very nice person and I would rather you would keep yourself out of my thread. Maybe go read a book instead.
                      That doesn't sound entitled at all. Nor judgmental. Glad I tried to point you in the right direction. Have a nice day. Hope your kid turns out okay despite you.
                      The Champagne of Beards

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                      • #12
                        rich gets a little grumpy when he hasn't gotten his workout in

                        but this is a good idea, imo

                        Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                        Whey is a good choice if he tolerates dairy, but what do you mean you bought shakes? Did you buy powder, or something liquid? What's the nutrition data and ingredient list?

                        1/2 an hour 2 days a week probably isn't enough to maximize his progress. He will probably benefit best from about 3 days a week of progressive compound lifts with a barbell. The trainer should teach him to squat, deadlift, standing press, bench press, and power clean, and then you won't need to pay him any more (assuming your son is mathematically capable of adding 5 to other numbers all by himself).

                        Save the money you're spending on a trainer and buy him a copy of Starting Strength, Basic Barbell Training, 3rd Edition by Mark Rippetoe. And let him eat.
                        i'd keep the trainer until he gains more confidence, and knowledge on proper lifting form

                        also, food is good. steak, chicken, fish, liver, veggies and fruit
                        beautiful
                        yeah you are

                        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
                        lol

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jeffmom View Post
                          Question 1
                          Question: is there anything wrong with him eating whole foods as protein sources? (eggs, meat, fish etc). Is there a budget constraint? (teenage boys can eat HUGE amounts of food...)

                          Originally posted by jeffmom View Post
                          Question 2
                          He trains hard with his trainer 2x a week. I have read different things that training everyday is not good for him at all
                          Yep, that's correct. The 'training' is actually hurting you, it's on your rest days that your body heals and actually grows muscles.

                          Originally posted by jeffmom View Post
                          , however I go to the gym myself almost everyday for cardio
                          [QUOTE=jeffmom;1241042]
                          If you enjoy it then that's fine I guess, but there's little point to 'chronic cardio' in terms of health benefits.

                          Mark has done a couple of posts about the subject. Please don't take that as an attack or anything.

                          Originally posted by jeffmom View Post
                          Is it ok for him to workout everyday if he isn't working the same muscle group?
                          Yep, as long as he is intentionally 'resting' the muscles that got worked out on previous days.

                          Originally posted by jeffmom View Post
                          I understand doing cardio when your trying to build muscle is counter productive so he refuses to do more than 10minutes cardio on any day. He really has a goal of looking different when school starts up again in two months and I hate to tell him he can't go to the gym everyday when I do it myself...any suggestions?

                          Thanks so much for any help or advise you can give!!!!

                          Jeff's mom
                          Yay for your son and yay for you.
                          Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                          Griff's cholesterol primer
                          5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                          Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                          TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                          bloodorchid is always right

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                          • #14
                            Hello For a bit of background, I work out 6 days a week. I lift weights 5 days a week, do yoga once a week and also do HIIT sprints twice a week. I also play tennis a few times a week for about 1-2 hours each time.

                            Speaking from experience, I've found that whey protein is good as a protein powder, but that its fairly useless for soreness. Instead of using the protein powder, get him a recovery drink (and not the gatorade crap). I use Rivalus Post-RX. If your trainer is wanting him to get extra protein in through the protein powder, mix it in with a recovery drink, but the recovery drink is a must. Also, for any areas that are sore/ stiff, use a tennis ball and massage/roll it over the sore areas. Its going to hurt, but it works.
                            As for the amount of protein powder, I'd listen to what the product says. There's a reason its there. Is the protein powder flavored? If so, I'd suggest not using milk, and using water instead.

                            As for training, what is he doing when he's with his trainer? Weights, cardio, body weight exercises, etc? Training everyday isn't a bad thing, as long as you're smart about it. Here is what my training week looks like.
                            Monday: Back and Chest, Abs
                            Tuesday: 25 minutes of HIIT on a treadmill, elliptical, or sprinting outside. I do one minute sprints, with a one minute rest. If I'm doing that at the gym with the equipment, I also do squats with a barbell or EZ curl bar on my back (don't have a Smith Machine), and some Rear Foot Elevated Split Squats with the same barbell.
                            Wednesday: Shoulders, Arms (biceps, triceps and forearms), Abs
                            Thursday: Same workout as on tuesday.
                            Friday: Leg workout, Abs
                            Saturday: roughly 45 minutes of intense yoga (I use the P90X Version. Only do half of it because I get bored half way through)

                            Like I said, training every day isn't a bad thing, as long as you stay away from the muscle groups that you used the day before. They each need 48 hours to grow and repair themselves. That being said, legs are about the only muscle group that can be worked every day. I'd just advise to not go too crazy on it. I'm only in the gym for 20-30 minutes when I lift, but I only do a few sets of each exercise at my max, so by the time I leave, my body is shaking and I'm sweating.

                            Cardio also doesn't slow down or harm your progress in muscle building. That being said, high amounts of cardio also isn't a good thing. If he wants to do cardio, make it worth his while. HIIT takes way less time, and produces way more results that constant cardio, and trust me, it kills.

                            I also agree with the others. A lot of the progress you make with training is nutrition based, so I think reading up more about paleo/primal will only help him along.

                            Your son is very lucky to have a mother like you

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