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    of eating primal. Back in the day, I was a hardcore Adkin's diet subscriber. I lost quite a bit of weight that way but gained it all back. In the past five years, I have been to "fat camp" - gosh how they HATED that I called their Health Institute a fat camp - and learned the error of my ways, according to them, by restricting my carb intake. From there I became a vegan and now I am a fat vegetarian (I love dairy.) I found Mark's Daily Apple via a crossfit page (I don't crossfit...yet) and was intrigued. I bought Primal Blueprint yesterday and have made it to page 100.
    I am already stressing about how I am going to eat. In all honesty, I really don't like veggies. I eat them because I am obligated (somehow) to eat them. If I had my druthers, I'd live on cheese pizza and cheese and crackers. I find I have to cover up most veggies, including salads, to stomach them.
    I have a love hate relationship with food. Since being a young child it has always comforted me but been the bane of my being as well. I have struggled with my weight since I was a kid. The most happy I have been with it was during the termination of my 14 year relationship (the upside to a divorce). I lost about 50 lbs and kept it off quite well until this past winter. At this point I started to balloon up again. I have packed on 25lbs in the past 6 weeks (I also stopped my smokeless tobacco habit.)
    I would like to start being primal ASAP (I think I have wrapped my head around the whole eating cows again thing.) I am reading the book but by no means am I finished with it nor will I claim to understand it all. I have a few questions about food recommendations.
    Do I need to look for anything other than "grass fed"? I am fairly sure I can find this at Earth Fare. Any specifics on pork that I need to look for?
    I have, on this site, seen reference to "whole" dairy. Is this simply nonfat dairy - cheese, sour cream, etc? Can I still eat cheese is my main question and are brands such as Kraft acceptable for sharp cheddars etc? What about mayo?
    Salad dressing - what is my best bet for off the shelf dressings? I am sure, with time, I will start making my own, but in the name of getting myself started I figure I might should buy some dressing.
    Can I have salt on my food?

    I am sure I will have copious questions in the next few days. Knowing these answers will make going to the grocery easier today. If anyone has specific name brands that they opt for with any of the above, please throw it out there. I am nervous about hitting the grocery today. I'll be shopping for things it has been years since I have bought.

    Thank you,

  • #2
    Congratulations to you for finding the Primal Blueprint. You sound like you're ready to make the commitment, and a trip to the grocery store is a great way to start.

    About the dairy question: Whole dairy is just that, completely whole. No fat removed. Whole dairy = full-fat dairy, preferably organic, no hormones, grass fed is the best but harder to find. You'll find differing opinions about whether dairy is primal. Whether Grok ate dairy or not, I don't really care. I'm not too hung up on re-enacting the Paleo era, and try to concentrate more on erasing as many "civilized" industrial agricultural era components from my diet as possible, especially grains and processed foods. Whole dairy helps me in my attempt to increase the fat ratios in my diet, so I include heavy cream, butter, and cheese. I believe that a person's ability to consume dairy without harmful side effects is directly correlated to their ancestry. Northern Europeans/Scandinavians have a very low rate of lactose intolerance, so if you fall within that ancestry you should be okay. Also, dairy consumption is very helpful to former vegetarians who are transitioning into primal eating. You may also find it helpful to include lots of free range eggs in your daily eating.

    I'm sure others will come along with their take on your questions. Good luck!


    • #3
      I am scared also. I did the WW thing and lost a bunch of weight. I started eating grains again and the weight came back on. Now..I am back on the fat planet and HATE every bit of it.

      I am not about to eat a cow at a time..because I just can't eat that much cow. I don't drink dairy because I am allergic.


      • #4
        Originally posted by KatieM View Post
        I am scared also. I did the WW thing and lost a bunch of weight. I started eating grains again and the weight came back on. Now..I am back on the fat planet and HATE every bit of it.

        I am not about to eat a cow at a time..because I just can't eat that much cow. I don't drink dairy because I am allergic.
        Why would you think you need to eat a cow at a time?


        • #5
          Just keep reading other people's primal journals. You will see their journey, the type of things they eat, etc. Your experience is your own. You may not have as positive of results if you add in all the marginal items (nuts, fruits, dairy) as you would if you didn't. You eat 2000 calories of cheese a day you're going to have a problem no matter what kind of eating plan you undertake.

          If you're responsible for yourself and accountable for what you eat, and you get yourself moving, you should see results.
          "If you won't be better tomorrow than you are today, what do you need tomorrow for?"


          • #6
            Originally posted by PrimalEagle View Post
            You eat 2000 calories of cheese a day you're going to have a problem no matter what kind of eating plan you undertake.
            I think you're saying that 2,000 calories per day of any single food source would cause problems eventually, but maybe you're talking about cheese in particular? If so, could you elaborate a little, please?

            Aside from possible constipation, 2,000 calories of natural cheddar cheese would provide a great macronutrient balance (72% fat, 1% carbs, 26% protein), a whopping 1.315 mcg of Vitamin A (almost 2x RDA), 4.1 mcg B12 (again almost 2x RDA), 3,577 mg calcium (3x RDA), and a whole host of other nutrients. Few single foods can approach that kind of 2,000-calorie profile.


            • #7
              Are" natural" and "organic" being used as synonyms? Is anyone aware of any pre-packaged cheeses that are truly organic?


              • #8
                In my post, I used "natural cheddar cheese" as that's what FitDay names the cheese I chose to illustrate the nutrition of 2,000 calories of one kind of cheese. I think they use "natural" in this definition as opposed to their other cheddar cheese choices, including processed types.


                • #9
                  I'm so glad there is an Earth Fare in your area! I love that place. There is an incredible difference in meats and cheeses that are hormone, antibiotic & nitrate free. Earth Fare also has some nice premade salad dressings (some are in the produce dept. in my town). Mark's Daily Apple prefers that cheese be aged, and not the processed stuff, or "chesse product" that you might find where sliced cheese is located. Organic Farms makes a lovely aged cheddar from raw milk (also in the Earth Fare produce section here). Also, look for Applegate Farms deli meats (and hotdogs) and sliced cheeses.
                  Oh, and the eggs at Earth Fare are devine, as is the almond butter in the bulk food section.

                  There are lots of great articles on Mark's Daily Apple, in addition to his book. Read everything you can. I'm excited for you. Hang in there. You'll get better at this as more time passes.


                  • #10
                    I felt a little overwhelmed at first, also. I do find most everything has an organic alternative I can purchase, but the grass-fed has been a bit difficult. I'm 9 weeks into this lifestyle and I still run into speed bumps as I cruise along enjoying my cheese and butter .
                    I hope you get to a point where you feel the need to change your screen name since I can't imagine signing in everyday with a negative tone. Our most influential cheerleader is our self. You've taken a step to improve your well-being.
                    Kudos to you.


                    • #11
                      Katie- The biggest and easiest lesson is to eat REAL food, QUALITY food. If you eat better foods, with better quality ingredients (meaning not crazy factory produced crap), you will feel satiated- you're not gonna be crazy hungry and gnawing off your arm.

                      If you can't afford organic or grass-fed products, just go for the simplest forms. Velveeta likely does not fit into that category. And as far as dressings go, dribble some olive oil, a bit of balsamic vinegar, maybe a squeeze of lemon: tasty, simple and a hell of a lot healthier than anything in the dressing aisle.
                      Because if you didn't know, of that is life made: only of moments; Don't lose the now.


                      • #12
                        Many people find that dairy stalls them. If you are looking to lose weight but love cheese, you could have that unintended side effect, especially if your cheese consumption is over-the-top. For someone who likes cheese, however, it can be tough to limit it. I am speaking from experience as I love cheese. Even though I'm not lactose intolerant, eating higher amounts of cheese still affects my weight loss, so I made sure I limited it to 1-2 oz a day for the first few weeks before adding it back in. If I stall again, I'll cut the cheese out again.
                        "If you won't be better tomorrow than you are today, what do you need tomorrow for?"


                        • #13
                          It's all gradual. I have noticed recently with veggies, I have started to crave them. I was never a fan before, let me tell you. But I sliced up zucchini to make some "noodles" in place of pasta, and caught myself filching them and snacking on them out of the pan. A year ago, I would have just flat-out refused to eat squash- period. Between soup or salad, I would always go with the soup before, and now I look forward to the bright colors, variety, and crispness that goes along with salad eating. My tastes have definitely changed- just take it one day at a time, and you'll surprise yourself.
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                          • #14
                            I quite like the '12 step' approach over at PaNu as it helps simplify things a bit.


                            Basically you tackle step one: once you've got that sorted, do step two. I guess though when you're ditching foods, it does leave a bit of a 'hole' that you then have to find something appropriate to fill.

                            I've been big into wholefoods and organics for a while so I think I'm finding it easier in that regard. While organic, grass fed and so on is really important long term, I think to begin with you might be better off focusing on the low-carb and overall whole-food (as in no additives, no packet crap) aspect. You have to start reading labels - but if you focus on fresh meat, fish, eggs, vegetables, then you don't need to do much of that. Add in some nuts, fruit and cream; good oils, butter and a little cheese.

                            Cheese should contain milk/milk fat, rennet and salt, and that's about it. No free-flowing agents, no low-fat milk solids, no soy anything..... you get the picture. Cream should be cream, not skim milk, low fat milk solids, thickening agent, blah blah blah.

                            The food labeling laws are utter rubbish. I was looking for full fat yoghurt for my kids - "thick and creamy" - contains skim milk, milk solids, gelatine and a truckload of other crapola. *sigh*. (there's about one square foot of the supermarket shelf that has yoghurt made with real milk. The rest of it is all low-fat.)


                            • #15
                              About Cheese (of course the French dude would focus on that):

                              Kraft doesn't make real cheese. PERIOD! That stuff is one step up from government cheese, it's full of grain oils.

                              Now I won't get into anything fancy, but try to find a cheddar that is made from milk... And that's about it (a little salt maybe).

                              Trust me, I love cheese. I love cheddar, when I go to the UK (or my dad does) we bring back blocks of this stuff (he tends to bring back the "Kraft" kind, and I bring back the real stuff. He bitches about the price, I bitch about the crap...)

                              On another note, you might want to go listen and/or read Jimmy Moore's stuff ( he's closer to Atkins then Paleo/Primal, but he's one of the people who is down to earth and isn't confusing.

                              There is nothing honestly scary here, but the paradigm shift you must do can be terrifying.
                              Once you learn that you create your own reality and that you are fully responsible for your life, you can begin to see the world as it is and then you realize the limitless possibilities.