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  • Originally posted by Sol blackcat View Post
    Thanks crypto, I've got a plan of action, it's 4 am now, starting to get light outside. I'm fully wide awake. Sleep is just not possible any time soon. I had about 3 hours sleep this morning. I'm going to stop using the iPad in the bedroom after this weekend, I'm going to try and go 36- 48 hours until I'm so tired I can choose what time I want to sleep and what time I want to wake up. Try and get into a pattern. I could go to work with a hangover, but couldn't go to work under these sleepless conditions. What do you think! Of course I'm going to try your sleep exercise too.
    I think that sounds great! Be prepared for lots of practice and failure. But if you keep it up seems like it'd have to work.

    I know I'm a Nazi on this subject. I cost me 4 failed tries, 2 heart attacks and several years of insanity to get it through my thick head. The rules matter, at least to me. In all other areas I'm quite reasonable. Really I am.

    I think the 'no blue light after dinner' rule is a good one. I'm a natural night owl so it's not normal for me to shut down everything but I do so early. At least I enjoy reading a book. Some here are using candle light. It's also easy to get my mind so wound up at night they even the pills don't work.

    I just learned that the human circadian rhythm (cortisol - melatonin cycle ) is 24 hours and 18 minutes. That's weird. Maybe that's why (or an excuse for) my internal clock moves later each day until I just naturally skip one night's sleep about every 1.5 - 2 weeks. Or we came from another planet. Or the earth used to be in a larger orbit.

    The very best of luck with your plan.
    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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    • Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
      I think that sounds great! Be prepared for lots of practice and failure. But if you keep it up seems like it'd have to work.

      I know I'm a Nazi on this subject. I cost me 4 failed tries, 2 heart attacks and several years of insanity to get it through my thick head. The rules matter, at least to me. In all other areas I'm quite reasonable. Really I am.

      I think the 'no blue light after dinner' rule is a good one. I'm a natural night owl so it's not normal for me to shut down everything but I do so early. At least I enjoy reading a book. Some here are using candle light. It's also easy to get my mind so wound up at night they even the pills don't work.



      I just learned that the human circadian rhythm (cortisol - melatonin cycle ) is 24 hours and 18 minutes. That's weird. Maybe that's why (or an excuse for) my internal clock moves later each day until I just naturally skip one night's sleep about every 1.5 - 2 weeks. Or we came from another planet. Or the earth used to be in a larger orbit.

      The very best of luck with your plan.
      I do enjoy reading very much. Would it be ok to read in bed or is the bedroom for sleeping only?
      Candle light, that's an idea.
      FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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      • According to Mark and the Sleep doctor, the bedroom is for sleeping only.

        Sleep seems to be becoming a big thing, almost as big as obesity, at least in the U.S. Our HMO has outbid NY for the US leading sleep doctor who will arrive shortly. They're also building him a new center. It must be more than Low Carb that is causing problems.
        Last edited by Cryptocode; 07-10-2013, 09:37 PM.
        "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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        • Originally posted by Sol blackcat View Post
          Aye, it suits me, I can't stand the heat. Much prefer the winter. Are you originally from Spain?
          Nope, I'm from the US. How did I wind up in Spain? Not sure exactly. It just sort of happened...

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          • Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
            According to Mark and the Sleep doctor, the bedroom is for sleeping only.

            Sleep seems to be becoming a big thing, almost as big as obesity, at least in the U.S. Our HMO has outbid NY for the US leading sleep doctor who will arrive shortly. They're also building him a new center. It must be more than Low Carb that is causing problems.
            Well I'm going to get my head around it and prepare this weekend and start on Sunday night. Sleep is so important and doctors in the uk just don't treat it with the importance they should. In my case anyway. Thanks again crypto.
            Originally posted by mike View Post
            Nope, I'm from the US. How did I wind up in Spain? Not sure exactly. It just sort of happened...
            Well as long as you're happy mike. That's the most important thing.
            FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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            • I don't have insomnia but I know that my worst nights sleep are when I'm stressed about work and my best nights sleep are after a long day of strenuous activity - hiking/backpacking all day in Minnesota and then collapsing into my sleeping bag and falling asleep to the sound of loons singing.

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              • Originally posted by mike View Post
                I don't have insomnia but I know that my worst nights sleep are when I'm stressed about work and my best nights sleep are after a long day of strenuous activity - hiking/backpacking all day in Minnesota and then collapsing into my sleeping bag and falling asleep to the sound of loons singing.
                I'm a strange case me, I could go to work all day including lots of motorway driving get home and be pleasantly shattered. Soon as bed time comes I turn into the most energetic person in the world. Fully alert, mind racing ect. Not just now and then but constantly, every single night. The amount of hours I've slept in the last month is pathetic. And doctors just won't help me! Perhaps they don't believe me.

                I would love to attend one of these experiment sleep centres. Boy would I give them something to discuss in their case study meetings.
                FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                • Sol, have you thought about getting a night job?

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                  • Originally posted by mike View Post
                    Sol, have you thought about getting a night job?
                    A night job would be ideal for me to be honest.
                    But I'm returning soon to the job Ive done for the last nine years + and skilled in. The reason I'm doing pb and becoming dry is for this opportunity to get my old job back. If it didn't workout then I'd consider night work, but I'm confident it will.

                    Good suggestion mike, thanks.
                    FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                    • I have to weigh in on the side of a month being a calendar month and 28 days being 4 weeks (except in February, of course). that way you get to celebrate 4 weeks as well as 1 month, 2 or 3 days later. To my mind it's a month when you reach the same day in the next month. Whichever, it's a huge achievement, Sol, good on ya, mate!

                      I enjoyed working nights - parcel-sorting for various courier companies, and I seemed to need a lot less sleep in the daytime and got a lot more done between sleep and work. Best thing was being able to organise my sleeping schedule around things like dentist appointments etc without having to take time off work.

                      But going back to your old job is the best first step, Sol. That way you can get yourself financially stable and figure out what you really want to do. When I'm considering changing work, I calculate exactly what I need to pay the essentials and what outgoings I can get rid of - like ditching contacts to go back to glasses and cancelling the Sky. Add in some leeway for emergencies, then I can work out what hourly/weekly/monthly rate or I can afford to earn.

                      And of course, there's the old standby of keeping the 'day job' and doing what interests you in your spare time until you reach a stage where you could make it work as alternative employment. In my case that's likely to be well after retirement age!
                      Me, My Father and The Alzheimer's - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread84213.html

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                      • One of the blokes I work with starts work at 6am so he is up at 5am, finishes work at 3pm and goes straight to his livery and is there till 10pm everyday before coming home and having his tea and a deserved bath, it can be 12:30am before he gets to bed some nights, surviving on 4-5 hours sleep a night and functions perfectly fine, I really don't know how he does it, I'm in bed for 10pm and up at 6am and I'm exhausted!

                        Howay Sol, roll on 2 months dry and we can celebrate with a well deserved cup of warm milk! I would say coffee but I don't think you need any caffeine!

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                        • Hey jac, how's the studying going and the food markets?[/QUOTE]

                          Pretty good had a mid term exam today, hoping I gave em what they wanted!
                          Food markets are delicious but have to admit to indulging in pasta, but life is too short to be beating ourselves up and home time is coming around real soon so..... For now I enjoy!
                          You are really doing well with your abstinence , by inspiring.
                          link to my journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread97129.html

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                          • Hey Sol;
                            Happy one month! I'm really delighted you've done so very well.
                            What's the final stats on weight loss? Still going a pound a day or is it slowing a bit?

                            Also waiting to hear how the Shepherd's pie and lamb neck stew panned out. . . .


                            All is well here. I'm out of town for two days with some Brazilian students going to St. Louis to tour a brewery, of all things.
                            I'll be skipping the free samples needless to say. Oh well. I'm saving myself for city ethnic food anyway

                            Keep up the great work! You do sound happier and more confident. It's building its own momentum--you are doing this thing, no doubt now
                            Last edited by missblue; 07-11-2013, 03:53 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by missblue View Post
                              Hey Sol;
                              Happy one month! I'm really delighted you've done so very well.
                              What's the final stats on weight loss? Still going a pound a day or is it slowing a bit?

                              Also waiting to hear how the Shepherd's pie and lamb neck stew panned out. . . .


                              All is well here. I'm out of town for two days with some Brazilian students going to St. Louis to tour a brewery, of all things.
                              I'll be skipping the free samples needless to say. Oh well. I'm saving myself for city ethnic food anyway

                              Keep up the great work! You do sound happier and more confident. Keep it going--you are doing this thing, no doubt now
                              Hey blue. I've been wondering where you've been.

                              Thanks, a month! Phew! Shepards pie never materialised, but it's still on the agenda. Lamb neck is still in the freezer but seen as you've reminded me , I'll take it out tomorrow night and use it on Saturday.

                              A brewery? Dear me, you keep them wits about you my friend. Have a great time away but not in that poison factory.
                              Will get that neck sorted and let you know. Went for that long awaited walk around the lakes and ski slope tonight. Brisk walk took 45 mins. The gout has completely gone now.

                              Thanks blue.
                              FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                              • Originally posted by Sol blackcat View Post
                                I'm a strange case me, I could go to work all day including lots of motorway driving get home and be pleasantly shattered. Soon as bed time comes I turn into the most energetic person in the world.
                                I'm similar to you in that I can be OK all day, a bit lethargic early evening, but then come 10 O'clock, its full force energy!

                                As a young lad, I used to play Ice Hockey from about 8 years old up to 25 or so, and the training time started at 11:00pm at night after the public had finished using the ice. This is why I think I now suffer the sudden burst of energy post 10:00pm.

                                Ive tried help from the docs and nothing worked, but the only thing that did work was simply regular exercise. If I get enough exercise in during the week, and this can be simply having walked enough miles, not just pumping iron, then when I get to bedtime I can get to sleep. If I haven't done enough its like drinking a red bull.

                                Just a thought, but have you made sure that you are getting enough physical activity during the week? I believe that poor sleep could be related to being too sedentary in my experience.
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