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  • Originally posted by Sol blackcat View Post

    It's funny cos if I didn't fancy the walking and cycling I would be trouble free, however, because I'm eager to get going it won't let let me, sigh! Good day at work?
    I know exactly what you mean. Don't worry--the knees will get better. You are really doing a full on system reboot and that does take a bit of time. It took me close to two months for the swelling and discharge in my throat area to clear, but after that it's been great. Totally worth the wait.

    Work is going very well. I also recently started back to my yoga class this week and that helps me manage the neck pain I get from too much desk work at work. I always sort of dismissed yoga in the past as not "real" exercise like lifting weights or running which was foolish on my part. It is very challenging but in a good way. I am getting more flexible and in touch with my body than I have ever been. I have found that the muscles seem to "store" memory in a way. Sometimes I break up a knot or get some kind of release in the connective tissue and I get flooded with emotion and memory. Very odd but I've seen other accounts of it so I know it isn't unique to me.

    How's the diet going? I'm still a little concerned you aren't getting enough calories / fat. Since I've been doing Paleo / Primal, I've really learned you have to eat fat for the body to release fat, which seems so counter-intuitive to what we've been told all our lives. Even if you are low-carb, I also think veggies help you "package" the toxins out of the body more easily. Lots of mostly cabbage bubble and squeak, made with bacon perhaps?

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    • Originally posted by missblue View Post
      I know exactly what you mean. Don't worry--the knees will get better. You are really doing a full on system reboot and that does take a bit of time. It took me close to two months for the swelling and discharge in my throat area to clear, but after that it's been great. Totally worth the wait.

      Work is going very well. I also recently started back to my yoga class this week and that helps me manage the neck pain I get from too much desk work at work. I always sort of dismissed yoga in the past as not "real" exercise like lifting weights or running which was foolish on my part. It is very challenging but in a good way. I am getting more flexible and in touch with my body than I have ever been. I have found that the muscles seem to "store" memory in a way. Sometimes I break up a knot or get some kind of release in the connective tissue and I get flooded with emotion and memory. Very odd but I've seen other accounts of it so I know it isn't unique to me.

      How's the diet going? I'm still a little concerned you aren't getting enough calories / fat. Since I've been doing Paleo / Primal, I've really learned you have to eat fat for the body to release fat, which seems so counter-intuitive to what we've been told all our lives. Even if you are low-carb, I also think veggies help you "package" the toxins out of the body more easily. Lots of mostly cabbage bubble and squeak, made with bacon perhaps?

      Pleased things a going well for you. Don't know anything about yoga but if it's working for you then great.
      The diet is spot on full primal. I'm also wondering about if I'm eating enough calories especially fat. Still have a little bit of fat fear although Im not as fastidious about going to great lengths to remove it.

      Have been considering a bit of carbs a couple of times a week but so far it hasn't happened. Still eating one meal every 24 hours but I'm so used to it now. I'm getting into cooking (yes cooking, me! Honestly.) made a big pot of PB chilli last night witch I will freeze into portions. My next adventure is shepherds pie with mashed cauliflower and swede topping. I spend hours on the recipe pages here. If my mates could see this now
      The fridge used to be for keeping my beer cold, it's full of goodness now.



      FTM
      FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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      • Hey Sol, I haven't been reading for a few days, so just catching up now. How are you enjoying wimbledon? I've been watching Murray's matches and Djokovich and random others. I couldn't care less about other tournaments, but Wimbledon always exerts that bit of magic - the sound of tennis ball on racquet, a bit like leather on willow.

        Congrats on your continued non-drinking. I can also imagine, if you're getting plenty of protein and fat in your meal that you're not hungry for the rest of the day. If you're losing weight and eating enough to fuel exercise, of whatever level, stick with it.

        Sounds like you're in a great place to enjoy the outdoors - make the most of it. I wish I had more freedom to get out and about but I'll get it back eventually.
        Me, My Father and The Alzheimer's - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread84213.html

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        • Originally posted by awok677 View Post
          Hey Sol, I haven't been reading for a few days, so just catching up now. How are you enjoying wimbledon? I've been watching Murray's matches and Djokovich and random others. I couldn't care less about other tournaments, but Wimbledon always exerts that bit of magic - the sound of tennis ball on racquet, a bit like leather on willow.

          Congrats on your continued non-drinking. I can also imagine, if you're getting plenty of protein and fat in your meal that you're not hungry for the rest of the day. If you're losing weight and eating enough to fuel exercise, of whatever level, stick with it.

          Sounds like you're in a great place to enjoy the outdoors - make the most of it. I wish I had more freedom to get out and about but I'll get it back eventually.

          Hi awok, been a strange tournament this year with early exits and injuries. Murray has won since you posted this.

          Plenty of protein, moderate fat and low carbs seems to be the diet. Three weeks today AF.
          Hope you get back what you are wishing for. Good luck.

          Thanks awok.
          FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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          • I don't mean to be nosy, and feel free to tell me to piss off, but wondering how the weight loss is going.
            On a once-a-day meal plan that's low carb, I would think it would be melting off depending on the amount of healing going on in the gut as the grains clear.

            The shepherd's pie sounds amazing. I was addicted to that stuff when living in Ireland. Had a local that made a tasty one and also had good Guinness. I think I was there three or four days a week to have it. Isn't delicious healthy food wonderful compensation for the drink? Opening a fridge with quality consumables all for me, or plenty to share, is a happy thing. . .

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            • Originally posted by Sol blackcat View Post
              Hi awok, been a strange tournament this year with early exits and injuries. Murray has won since you posted this.
              Yup, watched the first 2 sets on laptop, then mostly heard the 3rd as I was preparing dinner then missed half the 4th and most of the fifth eating dinner. Finally switched on the tv to watch the last 2 games of the match. Wow. And my father is like - oh, look what they're doing. Yes, it's tennis, it's Wimbledon. But it means nothing to him now. Which is why I can't watch on tv because he can't follow the concept of a match. He can't really follow the motor-racing, but as he likes seeing fast cars generally he mostly enjoys seeing them go round the corners or fast along the straights and hearing the engines. And I insist on watching the races in HD, though have to mostly watch Free Practices and qualifying on the laptop.

              Anyway, I suspect that hard-fought match did wonders for Murray's confidence, knowing he can come back from a 2 set deficit. And it's not like the Spaniard (Verdasco?) really did much wrong in the match, he just wasn't quite good enough to finish the job.

              Originally posted by Sol blackcat View Post
              Plenty of protein, moderate fat and low carbs seems to be the diet. Three weeks today AF.
              Hope you get back what you are wishing for. Good luck.

              Thanks awok.
              Woohoo! Three weeks, excellent. Well done.

              Well, being that my father is 93, he's not going to live forever, so yes, eventually I'll have my own life again. But of course when I moved in to look after him, he was 91 and I thought, given the deterioration of the Alzheimer's, he wouldn't last more than a few years. Of course, now I've taken wheat out of his diet and reduced his general carb intake and bad oils and got him on coconut oil, well, he's definitely maintaining, if not improving slightly. So now I'm looking after a 93 yr old Alzheimer's sufferer, 24/7, and he looks set to go for his century at this rate! Of course I'll be much happier to see him go suddenly to a stroke or heart attack than the slide into mental and physical incompetence that is dementia, but yeah, for the moment I really have little freedom in my life as everything I do impacts on him.
              Me, My Father and The Alzheimer's - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread84213.html

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              • Originally posted by awok677 View Post
                Yup, watched the first 2 sets on laptop, then mostly heard the 3rd as I was preparing dinner then missed half the 4th and most of the fifth eating dinner. Finally switched on the tv to watch the last 2 games of the match. Wow. And my father is like - oh, look what they're doing. Yes, it's tennis, it's Wimbledon. But it means nothing to him now. Which is why I can't watch on tv because he can't follow the concept of a match. He can't really follow the motor-racing, but as he likes seeing fast cars generally he mostly enjoys seeing them go round the corners or fast along the straights and hearing the engines. And I insist on watching the races in HD, though have to mostly watch Free Practices and qualifying on the laptop.

                Anyway, I suspect that hard-fought match did wonders for Murray's confidence, knowing he can come back from a 2 set deficit. And it's not like the Spaniard (Verdasco?) really did much wrong in the match, he just wasn't quite good enough to finish the job.



                Woohoo! Three weeks, excellent. Well done.

                Well, being that my father is 93, he's not going to live forever, so yes, eventually I'll have my own life again. But of course when I moved in to look after him, he was 91 and I thought, given the deterioration of the Alzheimer's, he wouldn't last more than a few years. Of course, now I've taken wheat out of his diet and reduced his general carb intake and bad oils and got him on coconut oil, well, he's definitely maintaining, if not improving slightly. So now I'm looking after a 93 yr old Alzheimer's sufferer, 24/7, and he looks set to go for his century at this rate! Of course I'll be much happier to see him go suddenly to a stroke or heart attack than the slide into mental and physical incompetence that is dementia, but yeah, for the moment I really have little freedom in my life as everything I do impacts on him.

                Hi, awok, can't agree more about Murray, though must admit I thought he was going to duff it. Good luck to the lad. It's about time we had a uk champion.

                That must be a massive mental pressure and responsibility caring 24/7 for an alzheimers sufferer and even more so with being your dad. That's great that he's responded well to the changes you have made regarding his diet. Are you doing this alone? Can't you get help from family or social services?

                It puts in to context someone like me who has willingly abused myself for twenty odd years and it is shameful.
                Mr awok is a very lucky man to have you, and you are a credit to him and yourself. Total respect and I wish you the very very best. Take care of yourself when you find the time.
                You really are a jewel. Good things are waiting for you. Sol.
                FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                • Originally posted by missblue View Post
                  I don't mean to be nosy, and feel free to tell me to piss off, but wondering how the weight loss is going.
                  On a once-a-day meal plan that's low carb, I would think it would be melting off depending on the amount of healing going on in the gut as the grains clear.

                  The shepherd's pie sounds amazing. I was addicted to that stuff when living in Ireland. Had a local that made a tasty one and also had good Guinness. I think I was there three or four days a week to have it. Isn't delicious healthy food wonderful compensation for the drink? Opening a fridge with quality consumables all for me, or plenty to share, is a happy thing. . .

                  Twenty two pounds so far, it's steady on a pound a day.
                  Hmmm Guinness, the dark stuff. It's good for you apparently, well not you and I obviously, but to normal people. I'm not implying you are anything but normal it's just...... I'm digging myself a hole here so I'll shut up now.
                  Hope you had a good day.
                  FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                  • Hi Sol and awok;
                    Nope, I'm not "normal' nor do I do I aspire to normality in any form
                    I am having a very good day as I have just ordered two groovy guitars on sale to add to my growing collection.
                    Music has been on my bucket list for 30 plus years, and I'm finally getting back to it. I have so much time since I quit drinking as well as motivation to do things like this. It's something else to look forward to my friend. Stuff you thought was long gone suddenly seems possible. Well, most things. . . I don't aspire to the figure I once had then as gravity has already done some evil work (not PC but I hope OK to say)

                    That's amazing! A pound a day is like the big "whoosh" they talk about on this forum.
                    Do you find the weight loss helping with sleep yet? I don't know if you have any sleep apnea from the weight
                    but that should help a great deal if so.

                    awok, I read your journal when you first started (I'm a bit behind due to too much work at the moment) and what you are doing for your father is very admirable. You are clearly a wonderful son and human being. I was a caregiver too for my mother who was late-stage emphasema (can't spell but you know the smoking lung disease) and alcoholic. She got lung cancer as well as time went on so I know what you mean about the gradual descent compared to them passing quickly with a heart attack or something in their sleep. I felt kind of guilty hoping that would happen but in the end it did. Quiet and peacefully while sleeping but as I mentioned earlier here, I was not there.

                    Meanwhile, I hope you are coping, as Sol suggested, with the daily drain of caregiving by caring as much a possible for yourself. Feel free to vent here as the frustrating things build up at times. Better out than in.

                    One things I must confess guys, as a Yank I just don't get the tennis thing. The ball goes back and forth. Back and forth. Back and forth. I do like to watch everyone in the audience watch the games because of the entrained movement. Funny.
                    No offense given, I hope. . . all in fun

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                    • Originally posted by missblue View Post
                      Hi Sol and awok;
                      Nope, I'm not "normal' nor do I do I aspire to normality in any form
                      I am having a very good day as I have just ordered two groovy guitars on sale to add to my growing collection.
                      Music has been on my bucket list for 30 plus years, and I'm finally getting back to it. I have so much time since I quit drinking as well as motivation to do things like this. It's something else to look forward to my friend. Stuff you thought was long gone suddenly seems possible. Well, most things.
                      . . I don't aspire to the figure I once had then as gravity has already done some evil work (not PC but I hope OK to say)

                      That's amazing! A pound a day is like the big "whoosh" they talk about on this forum.
                      Do you find the weight loss helping with sleep yet? I don't know if you have any sleep apnea from the weight
                      but that should help a great deal if so.

                      awok, I read your journal when you first started (I'm a bit behind due to too much work at the moment) and what you are doing for your father is very admirable. You are clearly a wonderful son and human being. I was a caregiver too for my mother who was late-stage emphasema (can't spell but you know the smoking lung disease) and alcoholic. She got lung cancer as well as time went on so I know what you mean about the gradual descent compared to them passing quickly with a heart attack or something in their sleep. I felt kind of guilty hoping that would happen but in the end it did. Quiet and peacefully while sleeping but as I mentioned earlier here, I was not there.

                      Meanwhile, I hope you are coping, as Sol suggested, with the daily drain of caregiving by caring as much a possible for yourself. Feel free to vent here as the frustrating things build up at times. Better out than in.

                      One things I must confess guys, as a Yank I just don't get the tennis thing. The ball goes back and forth. Back and forth. Back and forth. I do like to watch everyone in the audience watch the games because of the entrained movement. Funny.
                      No offense given, I hope. . . all in fun

                      Blue, delighted with a pound a day. No, I still can't sleep, it's exhausting.

                      Can't wait for the football (soccer) season to start here again. August 17th. Sunderland afc till I die.
                      Wish we had a general chat section to talk about sport, music, every day occurrences, news, hobbies and just anything of interest. That would be great.
                      FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                      • Hi Sol;
                        Yes, of all the symptoms / suffering I had when stopping drinking, the inability to sleep was by far the worst. That and waking up suddenly panicked like I was suffocating or something. Do you have that?

                        The exercise will really help when you're up to it, and I know it is different from person to person but for me it just sort of gradually went away. I started sleeping short blocks fairly well, and after awhile they got longer and deeper. If you have the urge to nap, even in the middle of the day, and you can--do that. Even lying down and resting for 15-20 minutes. It helps your body relearn what natural tiredness signals are again. It will come so hang in there.

                        If you want a general chat forum just start another thread. Lots of UK folk here will also be waiting for football season and others most likely feel like you do. Doesn't mean you can't have this thread too, or even just start a journal with the topics you want as your discussion posts. People pick up on that and join in. What are your hobbies, anyway?
                        Last edited by missblue; 07-04-2013, 11:11 AM.

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                        • Hi Sol. Happy to hear you're doing so well. We do have a general chat section. It's the Odds and Ends pages. I usually keep up somewhat with the Nutrition, Odds and Ends, and Research, well not 'keep up', but at least read what interests me. In research we're having an interesting (to me) chat on ancient bread making, in response to a research paper testing the effects on Einkorn wheat on celiacs. There were no ill effects on them for the length of the test, which wasn't so very long.

                          Last night, while sitting with my legs up in a recliner, I noticed that my lower right leg, below the calf, is larger than the left. I looked at it, got up and walked around and looked at it, and was convinced that it was. I asked my husband to look at it - he said he didn't see any difference. So I got a tape measure and measured it, twice. It's smaller. I measured the calves. Smaller. That's impossible.

                          The circulation in my right leg is very low, very bad. The doctor says I'll loose that leg if I don't walk. I haven't been walking because 1) I'm too weak, 2) It's too hot. etc. Yesterday I was going to go to the gym to walk and lift weights but it was too hot and I got too involved in this site - too involved to eat breakfast. I had breakfast at 2pm and dinner at 6. I have got to get on a more steady schedule.

                          So last night my heart was racing from fear; Oh my God, no right leg. This morning when I got up I went walking and walked around the block, 1.5 miles. Never thought I could do that. Fear is useful. Tonight I'll do it again - if it's not too hot.

                          I'm scheduled to quit smoking on 7/22 when the class starts. I have the Wellbutin pills and an inhaler they prescribed. That's going to be really hard, I've smoked for 53 years - thumbed my nose at the doctors and enjoyed it. Now it may cost me my right leg.

                          After that, maybe 6 months, next I'll work on learning to sleep without prescription aids. Doctors gave them to me in response to a mild complaint of insomnia and now I'm addicted to them. Can't sleep without them. It seems to me that, after retirement, doctors will give me anything I ask for - maybe on the idea that the elderly have a short remaining life span so it doesn't matter. Before they gave me the pills I slept very well, it just took about 1 hour to get to sleep. I'm jealous because it takes my husband no more than 10 minutes. So I complained. I sure wish I hadn't.

                          Have a good day.
                          Last edited by Cryptocode; 07-04-2013, 11:43 AM.
                          "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                          • Originally posted by missblue View Post
                            Hi Sol;
                            Yes, of all the symptoms / suffering I had when stopping drinking, the inability to sleep was by far the worst. That and waking up suddenly panicked like I was suffocating or something. Do you have that?

                            The exercise will really help when you're up to it, and I know it is different from person to person but for me it just sort of gradually went away. I started sleeping short blocks fairly well, and after awhile they got longer and deeper. If you have the urge to nap, even in the middle of the day, and you can--do that. Even lying down and resting for 15-20 minutes. It helps your body relearn what natural tiredness signals are again. It will come so hang in there.

                            If you want a general chat forum just start another thread. Lots of UK folk here will also be waiting for football season and others most likely feel like you do. Doesn't mean you can't have this thread too, or even just start a journal with the topics you want as your discussion posts. People pick up on that and join in. What are your hobbies, anyway?

                            Hi blue, I've been getting the panic thing too. I'm not falling asleep till silly o clock, seven or eight in the morning. Even then I'll be lucky to sleep for three hours. I don't know how my body can do it. I'm very tired now but in a couple of hours I'll be totally wide awake, mind racing in overtime.

                            Haven't had any pain killers today, the knee was not bad enough so I did without. That bike is almost about to get it's first ride,(it's a stationary bike actually but I'll use my imagination)

                            Hobbies are nothing worth noting, sport, Sunderland afc, music reading and the usual things. I've thought about seeing if the local collage does any night courses on computing, ect. I've discovered two new hobbies this week come to think of it. Exercising with weights,and dare I say it?....... Cooking. I've enjoyed cooking. Proper cooking, in a kitchen, with proper pans and things.
                            Sometimes I wonder.
                            FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                            • Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                              Hi Sol. Happy to hear you're doing so well. We do have a general chat section. It's the Odds and Ends pages. I usually keep up somewhat with the Nutrition, Odds and Ends, and Research, well not 'keep up', but at least read what interests me. In research we're having an interesting (to me) chat on ancient bread making, in response to a research paper testing the effects on Einkorn wheat on celiacs. There were no ill effects on them for the length of the test, which wasn't so very long.

                              Last night, while sitting with my legs up in a recliner, I noticed that my lower right leg, below the calf, is larger than the left. I looked at it, got up and walked around and looked at it, and was convinced that it was. I asked my husband to look at it - he said he didn't see any difference. So I got a tape measure and measured it, twice. It's smaller. I measured the calves. Smaller. That's impossible.

                              The circulation in my right leg is very low, very bad. The doctor says I'll loose that leg if I don't walk. I haven't been walking because 1) I'm too weak, 2) It's too hot. etc. Yesterday I was going to go to the gym to walk and lift weights but it was too hot and I got too involved in this site - too involved to eat breakfast. I had breakfast at 2pm and dinner at 6. I have got to get on a more steady schedule.

                              So last night my heart was racing from fear; Oh my God, no right leg. This morning when I got up I went walking and walked around the block, 1.5 miles. Never thought I could do that. Fear is useful. Tonight I'll do it again - if it's not too hot.

                              I'm scheduled to quit smoking on 7/22 when the class starts. I have the Wellbutin pills and an inhaler they prescribed. That's going to be really hard, I've smoked for 53 years - thumbed my nose at the doctors and enjoyed it. Now it may cost me my right leg.

                              After that, maybe 6 months, next I'll work on learning to sleep without prescription aids. Doctors gave them to me in response to a mild complaint of insomnia and now I'm addicted to them. Can't sleep without them. It seems to me that, after retirement, doctors will give me anything I ask for - maybe on the idea that the elderly have a short remaining life span so it doesn't matter. Before they gave me the pills I slept very well, it just took about 1 hour to get to sleep. I'm jealous because it takes my husband no more than 10 minutes. So I complained. I sure wish I hadn't.

                              Have a good day.
                              Thanks crypto, I'll check out odd's and ends and research.
                              Oh dear, I hope your leg sorts itself out soon. Never too hot here even in the summer.

                              It will be hard to quit smoking but you really can't afford not to. Good luck with that, I'll be routing for you.

                              Hope I'm not inappropriate by saying I would do anything to get some sleeping pill, I've asked doc numerous times but it's a no go. I hope you beat this addiction also. You're making me realise that in having one addiction myself I should be thankful that it could be a whole lot worse. It takes me seven or eight hours to get to sleep so I beat you on that one. ( want to swap?)

                              Good luck with everything crypto. Wishing you the very best.
                              FTM. I'm not biased, I hope everybody beats the mags!

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                              • Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                                Last night, while sitting with my legs up in a recliner, I noticed that my lower right leg, below the calf, is larger than the left. I looked at it, got up and walked around and looked at it, and was convinced that it was. I asked my husband to look at it - he said he didn't see any difference. So I got a tape measure and measured it, twice. It's smaller. I measured the calves. Smaller. That's impossible.

                                The circulation in my right leg is very low, very bad. The doctor says I'll loose that leg if I don't walk. I haven't been walking because 1) I'm too weak, 2) It's too hot. etc. Yesterday I was going to go to the gym to walk and lift weights but it was too hot and I got too involved in this site - too involved to eat breakfast. I had breakfast at 2pm and dinner at 6. I have got to get on a more steady schedule.


                                I'm scheduled to quit smoking on 7/22 when the class starts. I have the Wellbutin pills and an inhaler they prescribed. That's going to be really hard, I've smoked for 53 years - thumbed my nose at the doctors and enjoyed it. Now it may cost me my right leg.

                                .
                                when i started walking and got thinner legs and got muscle myleft leg was considerably littler(i had a cva that damaged my left side) consciously and consistently leading with that leg when walking has made a massive difference.

                                regarding smoking if you can get the quickmist device and they are unbelievably effective- its how I stopped. Ive tried everything else before. NICORETTE® QuickMist Mouthspray. | Nicorette
                                When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
                                27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
                                new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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