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    Hi,

    I just joined this forum because it seems like there is a lot of good info here.
    Let me just state from the beginning, I do not have any health issues, I do not need to loose any weight. I am looking for a healthy eating plan. I am thinking that even though I don't have any problems right now, maybe down the road I will because I might be eating certain things that I shouldn't??? I am not sure and that's what made me look into different diets.
    I read the Paleo Blue Print and I think I understand it but I am confused by all these diets, South Beach Diet which doesn't seem that different for me from Primal Diet or Atkins Diet for that matter ohh and another confusion Primal and Paleo (I did read Mark's explanation on this and understand it's the difference of saturated fats). In any case, I was hoping that someone could explain to me why this diet is better than other diets. After reading all the confusing info (scientific and on various websites, looking at food pyramids, talking to different doctors) I don't know what to follow and who to believe.
    Can someone help?

    Kathy

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    this is just my take....
    southbeach/atkins are marketed towards weight loss and low "carb". there isn't a care what the carbs are comprised of as long as it is under a certain number and also allows for processed foods.
    the primary goal of most ppl that do atkins/southbeach is weight loss (imho)

    primal/paleo is for health and weight loss is just a bonus (for some...some ppl don't lose weight at all).
    is based around whole, unprocessed, unrefined foods - healthy fats, veggies, meats, fruits. (most ppl associate primal/paleo with "no grains")
    some ppl are eating this way to improve/control a condition/s, some are athletes, some to improve overall health, some just cuz they like it.

    i think as far as the diff between paleo/primal or paleo/paleo depends on the person and what works for them/what they read first...some ppl eat dairy, some don't...some ppl eat nuts, some don't...some are hardcore organic/grass-fed/locally grown consumers and some eat what is affordable/readily available...some are low carb/starch and some are not, some count calories, some don't....for everyone (i will be corrected if i am wrong LOL) it is no processed foods, no grains, no refined sugars.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by hottierockstar View Post
      this is just my take....
      southbeach/atkins are marketed towards weight loss and low "carb". there isn't a care what the carbs are comprised of as long as it is under a certain number and also allows for processed foods.
      the primary goal of most ppl that do atkins/southbeach is weight loss (imho)

      primal/paleo is for health and weight loss is just a bonus (for some...some ppl don't lose weight at all).
      is based around whole, unprocessed, unrefined foods - healthy fats, veggies, meats, fruits. (most ppl associate primal/paleo with "no grains")
      some ppl are eating this way to improve/control a condition/s, some are athletes, some to improve overall health, some just cuz they like it.

      i think as far as the diff between paleo/primal or paleo/paleo depends on the person and what works for them/what they read first...some ppl eat dairy, some don't...some ppl eat nuts, some don't...some are hardcore organic/grass-fed/locally grown consumers and some eat what is affordable/readily available...some are low carb/starch and some are not, some count calories, some don't....for everyone (i will be corrected if i am wrong LOL) it is no processed foods, no grains, no refined sugars.
      Hi,

      Thank you so much for your reply. So it seems to me that this diet is so diverse that I wouldn't know where to start.
      Is there a long terms study that people who prescribed to all these diet variants you described didn't have any problems down the road. I mean is there scientific data from reputable scientific nutritional journals proving or describing pros and cons. I am having a hard time relying on anecdotal evidence. I am sorry, maybe I missed this data in the forum, maybe you can point me to it, I would greatly appreciate it.
      Thank you again for redefining the diet for me. I really appreciate your time and effort.

      Kathy

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      • #4
        Originally posted by hottierockstar View Post
        primal/paleo is for health and weight loss is just a bonus (for some...some ppl don't lose weight at all).
        is based around whole, unprocessed, unrefined foods - healthy fats, veggies, meats, fruits. (most ppl associate primal/paleo with "no grains")
        some ppl are eating this way to improve/control a condition/s, some are athletes, some to improve overall health, some just cuz they like it.

        i think as far as the diff between paleo/primal or paleo/paleo depends on the person and what works for them/what they read first...some ppl eat dairy, some don't...some ppl eat nuts, some don't...some are hardcore organic/grass-fed/locally grown consumers and some eat what is affordable/readily available...some are low carb/starch and some are not, some count calories, some don't....for everyone (i will be corrected if i am wrong LOL) it is no processed foods, no grains, no refined sugars.
        I think this is key. The focus is where I notice the difference. With Atkins, the focus is on weight loss and you just might get healthier while you're at it. With Primal and Paleo, the focus is more on current and long term health, and if you get thinner or more muscular in the process, then great, but it's not really the point. In other words, with Atkins/South Beach, you end up healthier because you're not as fat. With Primal/Paleo, you end up the right size because you're healthier and your body is working the right way.

        Also, Primal/Paleo has a rather large percentage of posters that are in the scientific community. That means people expect statements to be backed up with studies and not just accepted as fact. I think that keeps people honest and more on track.
        Durp.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KathyH View Post
          Hi,

          Thank you so much for your reply. So it seems to me that this diet is so diverse that I wouldn't know where to start.
          Is there a long terms study that people who prescribed to all these diet variants you described didn't have any problems down the road. I mean is there scientific data from reputable scientific nutritional journals proving or describing pros and cons. I am having a hard time relying on anecdotal evidence. I am sorry, maybe I missed this data in the forum, maybe you can point me to it, I would greatly appreciate it.
          Thank you again for redefining the diet for me. I really appreciate your time and effort.

          Kathy
          you already read TPB so i can't point you there as a starting point

          I'm kind of confused...pros and cons of what? eating whole foods?

          some ppl do/don't eat nuts, dairy, organic, local, grass-fed, etc....that isn't exclusive to paleo/primal.

          whole foods = good
          incomplete foods/chemicals = bad

          sorry if i am not helping i just really don't understand what data you are looking for/concerns you have :|

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hottierockstar View Post
            you already read TPB so i can't point you there as a starting point

            I'm kind of confused...pros and cons of what? eating whole foods?

            some ppl do/don't eat nuts, dairy, organic, local, grass-fed, etc....that isn't exclusive to paleo/primal.

            whole foods = good
            incomplete foods/chemicals = bad

            sorry if i am not helping i just really don't understand what data you are looking for/concerns you have :|
            Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was looking for more studies of positive impact on the health vs negative impact of all the diet variants you listed "some ppl eat dairy, some don't...some ppl eat nuts, some don't...some are hardcore organic/grass-fed/locally grown consumers and some eat what is affordable/readily available...some are low carb/starch and some are not, some count calories, some don't". I wanted to know if I do eat low carb/starch is that good or bad in terms of what happens to my body even thought I might not feel it. If I don't eat nuts is it good or bad, should I eat them??? I was looking for studies proving that eating low carb for example is very good for me in a long run.
            I do understand whole foods vs processed foods, so that's not what I want to know.
            Also, what is considered a healthy fat? Again there is so much confusing info on this everywhere.

            Thanks again
            Kathy

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KathyH View Post
              Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was looking for more studies of positive impact on the health vs negative impact of all the diet variants you listed "some ppl eat dairy, some don't...some ppl eat nuts, some don't...some are hardcore organic/grass-fed/locally grown consumers and some eat what is affordable/readily available...some are low carb/starch and some are not, some count calories, some don't". I wanted to know if I do eat low carb/starch is that good or bad in terms of what happens to my body even thought I might not feel it. If I don't eat nuts is it good or bad, should I eat them??? I was looking for studies proving that eating low carb for example is very good for me in a long run.
              I do understand whole foods vs processed foods, so that's not what I want to know.
              Also, what is considered a healthy fat? Again there is so much confusing info on this everywhere.

              Thanks again
              Kathy
              none of those things are exclusively paleo/primal, the info is out there....and studies are just that...you could find one study praising the longterm effects of dairy* and another condemning it. (*or any of the "variables", just using dairy as an example)
              everyone has different reasons for the things i listed...but all of the things listed are "allowed"....grains and processed foods are not. (i guarantee you'd be able to find a study praising grains AND processed foods)

              I don't eat dairy but that is a personal choice....dairy is not "required"...some ppl don't eat nuts but they are "allowed".

              I say re-read The Primal Blueprint and check out the articles that are posted on the main MDA site....if things are still unclear do specific searches ie; 'healthy fat'

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              • #8
                Ultimately I think you have to look at the tenets of the Primal Blueprint, namely that eating whole, unprocessed foods as our evolutionary ancestors did is healthy, and then decide what you want to eat from there. Everyone has different opinions, but ultimately the majority of people here have experienced enormous benefits as a result of drastically reducing the amount of grain and sugar eaten.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by hottierockstar View Post
                  none of those things are exclusively paleo/primal, the info is out there....and studies are just that...you could find one study praising the longterm effects of dairy* and another condemning it. (*or any of the "variables", just using dairy as an example)
                  everyone has different reasons for the things i listed...but all of the things listed are "allowed"....grains and processed foods are not. (i guarantee you'd be able to find a study praising grains AND processed foods)

                  I don't eat dairy but that is a personal choice....dairy is not "required"...some ppl don't eat nuts but they are "allowed".

                  I say re-read The Primal Blueprint and check out the articles that are posted on the main MDA site....if things are still unclear do specific searches ie; 'healthy fat'

                  OK, I am sorry but I still don't understand it. How can I know something is good for me? If studies are just studies then where else can I get reliable info? If grain is not allowed I want to know why, what exactly will happen to my body in 20 years if I eat grain? I don't want to just say Grok didn't eat it therefore it is not good. I mean, I don't have any problems at all so if I stop eating grains for example how will I know that I am better off if I don't have any symptoms.
                  I read about who Grok was on this site but I don't know where to get the same kind of meat he was getting. Unfortunately, the only thing that I can do is grow my own vegetables but I can't raise my own meat. I also don't know any hunters that I can get meat from.
                  I totally understand and agree about processed foods

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jhc View Post
                    Ultimately I think you have to look at the tenets of the Primal Blueprint, namely that eating whole, unprocessed foods as our evolutionary ancestors did is healthy, and then decide what you want to eat from there. Everyone has different opinions, but ultimately the majority of people here have experienced enormous benefits as a result of drastically reducing the amount of grain and sugar eaten.
                    Hi jhc,

                    Like I said before I do understand unprocessed food. I don't know how to decide what to eat because I can't figure out what is good for me or not. Do I just say Grok probably ate it so it must be good? Is every unprocessed food good for me? Should I waste time eating nuts if carrots are much better for me, for example? How do I know? How do I know what kinds of eggs was Grok eating and how many?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                      Like I said before I do understand unprocessed food. I don't know how to decide what to eat because I can't figure out what is good for me or not. Do I just say Grok probably ate it so it must be good? Is every unprocessed food good for me? Should I waste time eating nuts if carrots are much better for me, for example? How do I know? How do I know what kinds of eggs was Grok eating and how many?
                      I understand your confusion Kathy. Reading the forum may lead a "noob" to believe that PB requires complex calculations of macro nutrients, or gathering foods that are not locally available to you. But please know that there are lots of veterans on here, tweaking their own version of PB.
                      I myself am new to Primal, and the basic plan is working for me. Tweaks are coming, but so far it's been a great ride. Just do whatever Mark Sisson tells you, then refer back to the forum whenever you have questions.
                      As far as your questions about research into the long term effects of grain consumption vs. a grain-free diet, read Gary Taubes' Why We Get Fat And What To Do About It. Very informative, and plenty of the research you're looking for. Also, I haven't read Wheat Belly, but it's recommended reading on this form.
                      Hope this helps. Don't get frustrated, keep it simple, and take your time "getting it right!" Good luck!
                      “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.” Rumi

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                      • #12
                        Should I waste time ...?

                        No. The PB book, the blog and this forum have references and citations galore. If this is really more of an academic pursuit only - then skip the forum. A lifestyle as opposed to merely a diet is what PB offers. One has to get off of their metaphorical ass so to speak and actually do something.

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                        • #13
                          Hi KathyH;

                          Please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems like you want us to tell you exactly what to eat.

                          I don't think we can do that since this isn't a "one size fits all" kind of lifestyle. There is quite a lot of data, some of which is contradictory, and no absolutes. Every person responds differently, has different levels of inflammation, etc. so the only way to see if it works is to follow Mark's suggestions (or Robb Wolff for the matter) and try it yourself for 30 days.

                          Both authors offer a template with which to begin. Wolff is more "strict" Paleo and he even has a shopping list and menus so maybe that may be specific enough to start.

                          Until you see how you feel and how your body responds, it will be impossible to know how many eggs work for you, etc. I eat one in the morning with lots of fat, for example, but others on this list may eat 2, 3, 4, or even more if they feel like it. Perhaps the most important factor of this lifestyle (not a diet at its heart despite the labeling) is that it requires self-determination and informed experimentation using the basic meal plans from either or both books to build from.

                          Until you do that for yourself it is no more than theory.

                          It has changed my life, and that of many others, very much for the better. I hope you just jump in and try it and trust yourself a little. Use the books as a starting point and see what works. Good luck!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KathyH View Post
                            Hi jhc,

                            Like I said before I do understand unprocessed food. I don't know how to decide what to eat because I can't figure out what is good for me or not. Do I just say Grok probably ate it so it must be good? Is every unprocessed food good for me? Should I waste time eating nuts if carrots are much better for me, for example? How do I know? How do I know what kinds of eggs was Grok eating and how many?
                            OK.. stop your mind for a sec and just breathe... lol
                            I honestly feel like you are overthinking this AND you don't trust yourself.. please don't take that the wrong way.
                            You are looking for definitive DO THIS, DON'T DO THAT... TRUST YOURSELF!!!
                            it can all be found in any context you are searching.
                            There are believers in grains, or dairy, or nuts, or seeds, or carbs, or processed, or vegan or, or, or etc and plenty of studies to back them up.
                            There are believers in no grains, or no dairy, or not nuts... do ya get where I'm goin with this..
                            And still many studies to back it up...
                            SOOOOOO... imho, you need to quiet your mind and listen with your inner wisdom.
                            Pick up a box of mac and cheese.. look at it, read the label, how does your BODY process the information? Does it "sound" healthy to you, does it "feel" good in your body like a warm, close hug to think of injesting those ingredients?
                            THE REAL INGREDIENTS don't get stuck on the pasta/cheese ingredient cause they aren't REAL.
                            Now think about your favorite fruit.. FEEL it in your hands, TASTE it in your mouth, UNDERSTAND it with your body in relation to ITS ingredients (organic, pesticide free of course)... does that FEEL more nourishing than the other.. Are you starting to feel the hug??
                            This is how you learn what to eat and what not to.. you can follow or you can lead.. look at the majority of society that has followed CW (Conventional Wisdom) in regards to grains, dairy, pasteurized, etc etc...
                            Or you can take control, one food group at a time, slowly, with mindfulness and not a head full of "information" however well studied it SEEMS... If it needs, air, sun, water, and the earth to thrive and survive its natural state then start there.. if it is formed at that hands of man beyond those basic needs.. stop, breathe, and FEEL.. set your mind apart for a moment and you will hear the truth that your inner wisdom is trying to tell you.. the fact that you are searching is that wisdom telling you theres a better way..
                            Female 5'5", Feb. 29, 2012 SW 208, GW 160
                            My journal...
                            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...tml#post734883

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                            • #15
                              If you are wanting a more detailed analysis of what is going on read some of Lauren Cordain's books he is more concerned with the science and studies.

                              There are lots of healthy ways to approach Primal living and people react differently to different food groups. Some are lactose intolerant and others don't respond well to night shade vegetables. The important thing is to cut out the grains and the processed foods. Once you have done than and feel the difference it makes THEN you can play with other foods to see if you are sensitive them in any way.
                              Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                              PS
                              Don't forget to play!

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