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    I n September I watched knives over forks a movie that promoted a vegan lifestyle. I was scared already because my blood work was terrible and I was overweight. So i cut out animal products and also bread and sugar. i lost weight as I tried this for about 10 days but felt dizzy and weak. I did a search and found web pages that debunked the movie so I added meat. I found myself on what seemed to be a Atkins's diet, one that I did not ever keep to when I tried it in the past. I continued to loose weight. In my searches I ended up buying the Primal blue print, both the book and audio. I have studied it. I like the teaching about exercise. I swam as a teenager and in collage. I never liked that fact that I would swim miles for training at hard effort when I competed in the 50 free 100 free and 100 and 200 backstroke. I am now planing to swim masters. i am 55 and pretty fast but still over weight. I stared at 234 and now about 208. Want to get to 178. Now here is my problem. Since I started my diet my carbs were lower than what Mark teaches. Now when i eat more than 40g carbs a day I get uncontrollable carb cravings. Then I eat something stupid. Last week I ate a half carton of ice cream at night. The week before it was something else. I bought some low carb bars in case I would get up at night in a fit of hunger. I don't want to mention the brand because that might be against the rules. I ate 3 of them last night in the middle of the night. This always happens after I eat more carbs during the day. Mark teaches that if you want to loose weight you should eat 50 to 100g of carbs. I seem to have problems when I go up from 30 or so. I would be thankful for any help Bob

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    u need to make ur body turn into fat burning mode. i see u didnt eat meat as well for a bit. increase ur protein intake with fattier meats. basically under 50g of carbs for too long is not good for ur system its great for rapid weight loss, but not long term. i would up ur carbs to 50g and make sure ur eating enough fat/protein to feel satiated.
    "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we often might win, by fearing to attempt." -- William Shakespeare

    my weight loss story...
    started @400+pounds
    CW: 191lbs 15%BF
    PB: 158lbs 10%BF 33in waist
    UD2(6 weeks): 168lbs 9%BF 31in waist
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    • #3
      I'm like you.
      Sugar cravings go up the second I consume something sweet for the day. If I have 1 apple early in the day, that triggers a carb craving for me ALL day long.
      I have to keep it very low or 0 carb until the day is about over. So I eat things that raise blood sugar late in the afternoon..and then finish the day again 2 hours later (around 6-7pm) with a very low or 0 carb meal. Then I go to bed 3 hours later and the sugar binge at 4 pm doesn't affect me. (well not mentally anyways).

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      • #4
        If you don't feel you can tolerate more carbs, don't do it. I decided at the start to go as low in carbs as I could because I knew that I was seriously metabolically compromised. I wasn't obese but I was capable of gaining weight even when exercising 14 hours a day on a calorie deficit. Every now and then I will eat some sweet potato (like once a week) but other than that, I do not eat any fruit and only eat leafy greens and mushrooms if I ever eat vegetables at all. I feel this is better for me. I think sometimes suggestions like eating 50+ grams of carbs a day or the 80/20 rule and things like that are to make the diet more inviting to newcomers. It'll work for a lot of people just fine, but I truly believe that the diet has to be way more stringent for it to be effective (i.e. weight loss, metabolic healing, end of carb cravings, loss of ravenous hunger) for some people.
        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
          If you don't feel you can tolerate more carbs, don't do it. I decided at the start to go as low in carbs as I could because I knew that I was seriously metabolically compromised. I wasn't obese but I was capable of gaining weight even when exercising 14 hours a day on a calorie deficit. Every now and then I will eat some sweet potato (like once a week) but other than that, I do not eat any fruit and only eat leafy greens and mushrooms if I ever eat vegetables at all. I feel this is better for me. I think sometimes suggestions like eating 50+ grams of carbs a day or the 80/20 rule and things like that are to make the diet more inviting to newcomers. It'll work for a lot of people just fine, but I truly believe that the diet has to be way more stringent for it to be effective (i.e. weight loss, metabolic healing, end of carb cravings, loss of ravenous hunger) for some people.
          of course ur going to gain weight, working out 14hrs a day and on a calorie deficit, it only makes sense that ur body will keep what food u do give it. when i was chronic cardio i was burnin close to 6k and only consuming about 4k and i stalled at the same weight for 2 months.
          "Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we often might win, by fearing to attempt." -- William Shakespeare

          my weight loss story...
          started @400+pounds
          CW: 191lbs 15%BF
          PB: 158lbs 10%BF 33in waist
          UD2(6 weeks): 168lbs 9%BF 31in waist
          http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread39123.html

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          • #6
            Well, I wasn't doing that 14 hours exercise when I started primal. I was now just an ordinary office-worker who had no more outlet for losing weight now that exercise didn't work anymore and eating less only made me insanely hungry.
            Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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            • #7
              Gary Taubes -- check out his book Why We Get Fat -- does not believe we need carbs, and he does not eat many at all in his diet. Some cultures eat almost none and do fine. You have identified the point that you get carb cravings. You know your body better than anyone. Listen to it.

              And you are right -- whatever low carb bars you bought probably have bad fats in them and also soy. Check out some recipes on MDA and try making your own. It really is easy.
              Life is an ongoing Experiment of One, so here's to science!

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              • #8
                Listen to your body-even when it changes it's mind.

                Low carb worked really well for me for a while, but then I needed to go high carb for the situation I was in.
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                • #9
                  If I don't keep the carbs low I turn into a ravenous fat storing beast in like 30 seconds.
                  -Transform!

                  Groktimus Primal's Experience

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                  • #10
                    i thnk the effects would be MUCH worse if you ate many more ... but that being said it depends on the person ..

                    i eat 25-30g a day usually .. and i still have plenty of weight to lose .. when i up'd it for a while i actually felt worse (tried to eat 50-100g a day), and my cravings were present where as now i crave nothing
                    started at 310 July 23rd 2011 ... workin and workin!

                    my journal - http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread34980.html



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                    • #11
                      You may want to consider supplementing with chromium and l-glutamine. I've read that when taken together they reduce cravings for sweets and starches. I have taken it, as sometimes after meals I want to follow it up with something sweet. It's not a nagging craving, and it usually goes away (without compromise from me, of course) after a short while, sometimes I get no cravings whatsoever. I did notice the chrom/l-glut combination seems to help, but it may also be a psychological thing. They're both relatively cheap, and l-glutamine at least is a good thing to supplement, so I consider it money well spent.
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                      • #12
                        Does it make any different what the carbs are? Sugar and fruit trigger cravings for me but starches actually keep me steady and keep cravings away.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PrimalMark
                            You say you eat plenty of rice and you look ripped in your boxing photos bro. How much rice can you eat and stay ripped? MS says 250-300g of carbs a day is fine if you keep your fat intake under 50g a day.
                            Mark says this if for you heaviest lifting day, once of twice per week for dropping that last few pounds or getting very lean.

                            This is not an everyday thing.

                            I see you don't say EVERYDAY, but obviously this is the idea your trying to get accross. Tell the whole story or say nothing at all.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by PrimalMark
                              You say you eat plenty of rice and you look ripped in your boxing photos bro. How much rice can you eat and stay ripped? MS says 250-300g of carbs a day is fine if you keep your fat intake under 50g a day.
                              I'm not sure which photos you're referring to, my avatar is not me (it's some random Thai boxer, I only have it because of the sweet teep-kick to the face) but I'd say I'm around 12% BF (as I've been told here, haven't done any measuring)

                              The reason I eat rice as often as I do doesn't have a lot to do with being lean, in all honesty it's got a lot to do with rice being very readily available in my house. I live with both my parents and an older sibling and they can't imagine life without rice. Our rice also gets cooked in fat such as chicken broth, though most commonly.... vegetable oil! oh yeah I eat it anyway... and no they won't use coconut oil I've tried to get them to. We always have some source of protein, usually chicken or beef, so while I'm still living the privileged life and get home-cooked meals I haven't shied away from the white rice.

                              I was hesitant at first (as you seem to be) to return to white rice, as for well over 9 months after beginning primal in Jan 2010 I didn't touch the stuff and mostly got my carbs from veggies. I used to prepare vegetables separately for myself so as to have the proteins made at home but without the need for the rice, either that or I'd just eat the protein and maybe make some eggs on the side. Once I learned that white rice was relatively harmless for a person like myself (young active male, no history of diabetes, insulin sensitive, etc) I went back to it so to speak.

                              I've maintained my weight (~148-152lbs) for well over a year now. It's not a ripped weight by any means, I'd probably have to lose at least 10lbs to be closer to shredded, but I'm not really interested in that at least not at the moment. I have settled into a routine that I like, and don't feel like tinkering with it. I fast almost daily until 1pm and I attribute that with keeping possible poundage that rice would bring at bay. I train Brazilian jiu-jitsu about 2x/week (in the mornings, fasted and don't usually eat until 11-12 those days) I lift heavy at least once a week (it can get pretty sporadic as I train outside and don't always feel like dealing with the weather, which reminds me I need to start working on my indoor set-up) but it's not unusual for me to bust out random sets on pull-ups/push-ups daily, especially in the mornings as I'm the first one in the office; while the computer fires on and all that I usually spend about 10 mins in handstand training and getting the blood flowing. I also like to do dips/pull-ups/etc when waiting for the trains so I get daily exercise. I don't exercise in order to maintain my weight though, honestly I do it because I'm too antsy to just stand on the platform waiting for the train. My training is purely to get stronger or better at certain skills, it's got little to do with wanting to LOSE weight. I think this is important to state. I'm NOT interested at present in shedding more body fat, I'm pretty happy where I am.

                              If I was interested in dropping fat, and from time to time it happens, I would absolutely follow a more targeted carb re-feed approach. I'd eat high carb/low fat following heavy training sessions and eat "normally" the rest of the time. I've done it briefly and I know it works wonders, I'm just not trying to do so right now.

                              This is one of the latest pics of me I have online. I think from about 3 weeks ago so I probably weigh around 150ish on this one, as you can see I have what I would consider a pretty healthy amount of body fat, not enough for me to want to do something to reduce it, I think it's just right. My gf likes it, and my pull-up numbers continue to increase (along with how much weight I can move) so that's all I need to concern myself with.



                              This next pic is the leanest I've ever been in my life following a strict "paleo" diet, this is my post whole30 pic from just about exactly a year ago! crazy how time flies. I remember I was NOT doing carb refeeds here, I think the concept wasn't being discussed yet. However, whole30 has you eating absolutely no grains, no dairy, no sugar of any kind so I mostly ate meat and vegetables. Clearly the whole30 "worked" for me, but it wasn't very sustainable. I was taking in less calories (dairy packs them in for sure) and I relatively enjoyed the process for the first 2 weeks, then absolutely hated it for the following 2 weeks as I got so used to the way of eating I was just BORED.



                              I'd like to think I'm "beefier" now in a good muscle-has-been-built way, though it could just be that I have more body fat surrounding my muscles which makes it seem that way. Either way, I've experimented so much in the last 2 years, and been all over the place really (from eating tons of totally ridiculous junk foods and getting very bloated, to losing that in the matter of 2-3 weeks by eating meat+veg) that I think I feel "safe" to eat however the hell I want because I know how to do damage control and get myself back. I could be more ripped if I wanted, but I just don't see the point anymore, maybe if I'm ever single again or something, but women don't give two shits about that either, as long as you're not grossly over-weight, abs are just a tiny bit of eye candy for girls.

                              I apologize for the length of this post!
                              I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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