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  • #16
    JoS... how do you feel? Do you feel unhealthy? Suffer from joint pain? Get out of breath too fast? Find you're unable to do the things you want to because of excess weight?

    If not, could it be you've just reached your own natural healthy weight and shape?

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    • #17
      This might be a hormonal issue, but as a bodybuilder you would probably know that already. As others have said, thyroid might be the issue (I didn't read the whole thread) but you could also look into your estrogen levels. You might be over producing estradiol along with cortisol and that will pack on fat pretty quick.
      People too weak to follow their own dreams will always try to discourage others.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Daemonized View Post
        Nobody seems to have brought up leangains in this thread yet so, I'll do the honors. Have you considered the leangains approach? Daily IF works great for those of use with office jobs that still want to workout some and look great.
        Great point! Here is the link, JoS - Martin Berkhan's guide, at leangains.com.

        I am not one of the über-workout people so I forgot about his site. He is excellent, very scientifically-based but also keen on personal experimentation. Might be some great ideas for you there.

        Enjoy!
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        If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong." ..Richard Feynman

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        • #19
          Hello,

          My husband and I are both 54 years old and have been in the best shape of our lives over the last three years. WE just began Primal eating and have both noticed that we are appearing to be getting fat around our abdomens and I around my thighs. We do all things Primal and our exercise is strength training using our own body weight as well as lifting heavy things. I teach an aerobics class with light cardio and weights two times a week. The only thing we changed was adding in butter, coconut oil and eating whole fat yogurt. We also have been eating more nuts than we would usually eat.

          I read the information on leptin and don't feel that it applies to us, as we were in great shape doing the same exercises, but only changed our eating to all things Primal. Mainly we have added in fat that we didn't previously eat.

          I would like to know if anyone else has solved this problem.

          thank you in advance,
          Wendy-gal

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          • #20
            I'm going to go out on a limb and posit that you might actually do better with MORE carbs. For active lean people, a lower fat, higher carb diet can actually be beneficial. This was my experience, especially when trying to build some muscle. The low-carb diet as outlined by Mark can be beneficial for those who are overweight and/or sedentary and have metabolic issues to fix, but it's not ideal for everyone. I probably get 200+g of carb on workout days and I'm leaner than ever. If you're crossfitting 4x/week, I think you would benefit greatly from some starch intake, most of it in your post-workout meal.

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            • #21
              If my husband and I work out 6 days a week with two days of cardio/weights and the other days primal pushups, pulls ups and assorted strength workouts, would you also suggest we add in more carbs? If so, the only higher carb thing we have are sweet potatoes now. What other ideas would you suggest if we are staying primal?
              Thanks!

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              • #22
                Originally posted by yodiewan View Post
                I'm going to go out on a limb and posit that you might actually do better with MORE carbs. For active lean people, a lower fat, higher carb diet can actually be beneficial. This was my experience, especially when trying to build some muscle. The low-carb diet as outlined by Mark can be beneficial for those who are overweight and/or sedentary and have metabolic issues to fix, but it's not ideal for everyone. I probably get 200+g of carb on workout days and I'm leaner than ever. If you're crossfitting 4x/week, I think you would benefit greatly from some starch intake, most of it in your post-workout meal.
                +1. You might need more carbs.

                However, if you are a former body builder, what is your current bodyfat? Primal is meant to help people get healthy, and for women, less than about 15% starts getting unhealthy in many situations. You may have to make some tweaks to get it to work for you. (Up your carbs a bit, or eliminate dairy or snacking or nuts, or something else).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by wendy-gal View Post
                  If my husband and I work out 6 days a week with two days of cardio/weights and the other days primal pushups, pulls ups and assorted strength workouts, would you also suggest we add in more carbs? If so, the only higher carb thing we have are sweet potatoes now. What other ideas would you suggest if we are staying primal?
                  Thanks!
                  Yes, I'd think that you could also benefit from increased carb intake. Sweet potatoes are great. I also like white potatoes and even eat some white rice. Here are some posts that Mark did on those:
                  Are Potatoes Paleo? | Mark's Daily Apple
                  Are Potatoes Healthy? | Mark's Daily Apple
                  Is Rice Unhealthy? | Mark's Daily Apple

                  I know it can be scary to reintroduce carbs after being low carb for so long. We've been told and led to believe that carbs are THE reason that people gain weight and this is simply not the case. Yes, overconumption of refined carbs can definitely cause health problems. But moderate starch intake is great for active people. Check out this series of posts debunking the carbohydrate-insulin hypothesis:

                  Insulin…an Undeserved Bad Reputation » Weightology Weekly
                  Insulin: An Undeserved Bad Reputation, Part 2 » Weightology Weekly
                  Insulin: An Undeserved Bad Reputation, Part 3…MOOOOO!!!! » Weightology Weekly
                  Insulin: An Undeserved Bad Reputation, Part 4: The Biggest Insulin Myth of Them All » Weightology Weekly

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by yodiewan View Post
                    I'm going to go out on a limb and posit that you might actually do better with MORE carbs. For active lean people, a lower fat, higher carb diet can actually be beneficial. This was my experience, especially when trying to build some muscle. The low-carb diet as outlined by Mark can be beneficial for those who are overweight and/or sedentary and have metabolic issues to fix, but it's not ideal for everyone. I probably get 200+g of carb on workout days and I'm leaner than ever. If you're crossfitting 4x/week, I think you would benefit greatly from some starch intake, most of it in your post-workout meal.
                    I'm currently being treated by a naturopath (who is primal/paleo), and we're trying to boost my metabolism. I have also gained weight in the past year even though I've been primal. I've been VLC for about 18 months. He is having me up my carbs and watch total calories. Right now I'm aiming for around 100 carbs on days when I don't workout and up to 150 on days I do workout. His suggestions for paleo-friendly carbs include sweet potatoes, red potatoes, white rice, carrots, etc. (definitely no grains!). I'm not a heavy trainer - I do cardio about 4 - 5x week for 30 - 45 minutes and about 2 sessions of body weight exercises. For someone who trains more heavily, they could probably add even more carbs.

                    His rationale is based upon metabolic typing - meaning some people are better off with a higher level of carbs than others. Some people are effecient fat or protein burners, etc.

                    I have to say that I have felt better and had more energy since I've upped my carbs in the past few weeks. I haven't lost much yet, but I also haven't gained anything. The naturopath wants me to stick with this plan for a couple of months and see how my body responds. He also has me taking supplements to lower cortisol levels and boost thyroid function.

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                    • #25
                      Hello Hilary, none of the above, and yes I have thought about that.

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                      • #26
                        Hello IcarianVX, I have had bloods taken in the last 3 months and all my hormones are good! If things don't change I might go and have more taken.

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                        • #27
                          Hi Wendy-gal

                          It is great to hear someone with the same story. I myself have always been active, health and not over weight but since going primal and eating the fats Mark mentions yep I put on weight around my stomach and hip area. I have gotten opinions from my partner and my training partner and they both agree. before I was primal I never ate grains or diary as I am allergic to it but I implemented all the other primal rules. I train crossfit being doing this for 4 years. The information on leptin does not apply to me either, so what I am doing is cutting out the cream and butter, oh and I wasn't having much of it, only cream in my long black coffee and butter I cooked in when I cooked my kangaroo. so now I have switched over to coconut oil and only use olive oil on my salad and thats only 1 tsp. I am only have between 1-2 ouz of macadamias a day. I am going to do this for a month and see if there is any difference. The other comment about eating more carbs is really interesting, I believe my body runs better on protein and vegetables. fat keep it to a minimum!

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                          • #28
                            I can kinda see where OP is coming from. I was 169 in December last year, and had been stuck on a plateau for a while. I found Primal & was positive it was the change I needed to drop that last 20 lbs.
                            In the year I've been Primal, I've put on 20 lbs... and it's not muscle.
                            I can honestly say it's my food choices-- NOT the blueprint.
                            OP needs to take a step back, re-evaluate her own food choices and move forward from there.
                            Sorry, but I'm with Grizz on this one.
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                            • #29
                              Hi, this isn't to anyone in particular and I respect peoples definition of their own ideal shape; but a woman in her reproductive years is meant to carry a little fat, isn't she, for possible pregnancy and breastfeeding and birthing and running around after toddlers? I like the hour glass look myself, so I might be biased, and I haven't had to struggle to lose weight (I've GI probs so I look like a malnourished vegan, new to paleo). It is the weight around the middle that is implicated in health problems, not your tummy and bum and thighs? And restricting calories makes you moody & grumpy yes? I wouldn't be discouraging a rethink of your goals given an otherwise healthy existence. You can't pop out of your clothes if you get clothes that fit better. The pre-low-fat-madness ideal weight was Marilyn Munroe and the like. Gorgeous, sexy curves. Haven't we gone a little out of whack with the idealised shape these days, for women at least?

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                              • #30
                                Hello Dr Bork

                                I can honestly say my food choices are not at all whats causing the problem. I eat 95% paleo/primal. The only thing that I do allow myself is two pieces of lindt dark chocolate 85% maybe twice a week. I never ever eat anything packaged, fried, processed I actually detest it. I never eat sugar, apart from the chocolate. I can be known as 'paleo police' that is how focused I am on being super healthy and fit. You know everyone is different and eating fats for some people may not be the right thing for them.

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