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  • Trying to understand the differences between Primal and Paleo

    I stumbled upon the Primal Diet via a link for someone who was doing the Paleo diet. Both diets look similar and both seem to be a bit more strict than the slow carb diet I am on now.

    Currently my typical diet consists of beans, meat, veggies, fresh vegetable juice 4 days a week and I cheat on Saturday. I have completely cut wheat out of my diet as it was affecting me mentally and has for quite some time. Off the wheat, gluten and pretty much any grain has given me a much clearer head. Also I rarely eat cheese or milk or drink alcohol.

    My goal is not only to lose weight, which I've done pretty successfully up till this point doing slow carb, but it feels like I have hit a bit of a roadblock. So I want to strength train starting this next week and add the paleo/Primal diet to my routine.

    Onto the actual questions Whats the difference between what I am doing now with Slow Carb and Primal?

    What are the big differences between Primal and Paleo?

    And if I am strength training through the week, is there anything I might need to add to my diet, or pre/post workouts?

    Thanks for the help






    PS-I do NOT believe in evolution or care for the grok theory. The basic premise of the diet makes sense to me as a lifestyle change. I am not looking to method act a caveman.

  • #2
    The basic premise of the diet makes sense to me as a lifestyle change.
    Exactly you are correct! Primal is about a lifestyle change away from the SAD diet we are/were accustomed to.
    Primal goes back before we started eating grains, before we started eating mostly high carbohydrates, before we knew what processing meant.
    If you don't believe in the Grok theory that's alright. Think of it as Your Daily Apple
    Currently my typical diet consists of beans, meat, veggies, fresh vegetable juice 4 days a week and I cheat on Saturday.
    The major difference is cutting out the beans, and fruit juice.
    The other difference is the amount of carbohydrates you consume for the best results I go below 50grams a day.
    Some might say they have better results at below 100grams a day.
    We are eating what our bodies were designed to eat, that doesn't mean we all eat the same though.
    We keep all the unnecessary toxins away from our bodies.

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    • #3
      Why are beans such a no no?

      I know I should know this, but somehow I missed it.

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      • #4
        Legumes are nutrients yes but also offer too many carbs for the little nutrients they give us.
        I wouldn't say they are a no no if you aren't allergic to them or don't mind the extra carbohydrates.
        I simply don't include them into my Primal Journey because I love living low carb, most carbs for me come from my nut mixture and spinach.

        Also you might find this very interesting to read:
        Beans and Legumes | Mark's Daily Apple

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        • #5
          I think there are some anti-nutrients in beans as well, if I remember correctly.
          Durp.

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          • #6
            I'm still undecided.

            I think, till I get down to my desired weight, I am thinking about going paleo (with a few small modifications) and eat primal when I am at my desired weight.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by EnderzShadow View Post
              I'm still undecided.

              I think, till I get down to my desired weight, I am thinking about going paleo (with a few small modifications) and eat primal when I am at my desired weight.
              Primal and Paleo have moved closer together. You can aim for 100% Primal now and it will be fairly much Paleo. Beyond that, Primal is a whole lifestyle. You need to work the whole lifestyle to get the full benefit.

              Most of us decide for ourselves what we want to eat. Beans are not the great Satan. If they are important to you, eat some, ideally ones soaked overnight and rinsed. More thoughts.
              Last edited by Hedonist; 07-28-2011, 09:36 PM.
              Ancestral Health Info

              I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

              Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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              • #8
                Primal = Paleo plus dairy (if you can handle it)
                Both basically recommend cutting out grains & legumes/pulses, with Paleo also adding dairy to that list, though if you listen to Robb Wolf (author of the Paleo Diet Solution) he also says that if you dairy doesn't cause you problems then why not eat butter, fermented dairy (yogurt/kefir)?

                If you really can't do without beans or grains, you can reduce the anti-nutrients (phytates) by soaking or sprouting.
                See here or here for info on the processes. But personally, it's all too much effort and I'm quite happy not eating them

                It's all about getting back to eating the types of whole natural foods that man would have been eating prior to the advent of agriculture I.e. during the paleolithic period, hence the term 'Paleo'
                If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

                Originally posted by tfarny
                If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hedonist View Post
                  Primal and Paleo have moved closer together. You can aim for 100% Primal now and it will be fairly much Paleo. Beyond that, Primal is a whole lifestyle. You need to work the whole lifestyle to get the full benefit.

                  Most of us decide for ourselves what we want to eat. Beans are not the great Satan. If they are important to you, eat some, ideally ones soaked overnight and rinsed. More thoughts.
                  lol beat me to it, started typing but got distracted reading the bloody references I was linking too
                  If you're interested in my (very) occasional updates on how I'm working out and what I'm eating click here.

                  Originally posted by tfarny
                  If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Misabi View Post
                    lol beat me to it, started typing but got distracted reading the bloody references I was linking too
                    Hehe
                    Ancestral Health Info

                    I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

                    Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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                    • #11
                      I'm similar to the OP. I got started on Tim Ferris' SCD, but after about 10 weeks, I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't stand the beans and I felt like crap -- miserable, low energy crap! I did like the idea of eating more protein and fat and from what I've read of TF, that lead me to Gary Taubes and eventually here. I'm giving this whole PB thing a try out. I think that it's more "flexible" to what works for the individual vs. "strictly" Paleo. There were some "strictly" Paleo folks on the SCD forums that were pretty gung ho and that always put me off. Plus, I love good dairy (cheese, butter, yogurt, etc. not so much plain milk, although when I do have milk, I've switched to whole) and don't seem to have problems with it, so I don't think I'll be cutting it out too soon -- another problem I had with the SCD. And, I like fruit!

                      I never really like the beans, so removing them has not been an issue for me. I still cheat way to much with sweets (sugary stuff like candy chocolate (not dark, the sweet stuff) and so forth) but I have been pretty close to 100% on cutting out grains, though I occasionally miss pizza and sometimes donuts.

                      I'm also giving the PBF a try -- did my "assessment" for the essential primal movements tonight...it wasn't pretty. Again, I like how the PBF is flexible to what you like to do for physical activity. I could NOT do the running I liked when I was on SCD...the beans made that damn near impossible.
                      Re-focusing on the Primal Lifestyle in 2012!

                      Starting: 221.0lb, 29.5% BF (1/9/2012)
                      Latest: 208.9, 26.1% BF (3/19/2012)

                      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread35679.html

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EnderzShadow View Post
                        Why are beans such a no no?

                        I know I should know this, but somehow I missed it.
                        Beans are high in lectins and phytates, so they are not really considered and ideal food. Interestingly, if we want to turn on immune cells in the lab we use products that are purified from beans!
                        Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                        http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Misabi View Post
                          Why not eat butter, fermented dairy (yogurt/kefir)?

                          I am a definite fan of butter, love the stuff. Some people say it can be addicting also and to eat Ghee instead. Is ghee lacking in any nutrients? I remember reading a mercola article where he extolls the virtues of butter but then again I am trying to lose weight and while I'm not an ANTI FAT "Low fat lover" kind of person, I would go without it if it got me closer to my goal.

                          If you really can't do without beans or grains, you can reduce the anti-nutrients (phytates) by soaking or sprouting.
                          See here or here for info on the processes. But personally, it's all too much effort and I'm quite happy not eating them

                          And thats how I feel about it. I mean really, if its not that great for me anyways, possibly spikes my blood sugar (funnily it did my wife contrary to what some people claim) and I am trying to lose weight and get lean anyways, I dont want to go to all the hassle of soaking and all that.

                          Oh and I am perfectly fine being off of wheat. Getting rid of wheat, and eating a more "blood sugar stable" diet has pretty much got rid of any BiPolar symptoms. So I dont have to eat that either.


                          Although nut flours I read about, would make for a nice cheat day/guilt free pleasures.

                          It's all about getting back to eating the types of whole natural foods that man would have been eating prior to the advent of agriculture I.e. during the paleolithic period, hence the term 'Paleo'
                          And thats funny, because I replied IN your post, it thinks I didn't write anything at all lol...<---and thats why I wrote all that. Ta ta !

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tim_1522 View Post
                            I'm similar to the OP. I got started on Tim Ferris' SCD, but after about 10 weeks, I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't stand the beans and I felt like crap -- miserable, low energy crap! Yeah whats up with that? I noticed my bathroom habits changing, for the worse. I am not sure if I feel bad, but for as good as I eat, I dont feel as good as I should. I'm even turning into a bit of a saint when it comes to cheat day, because really, I can't take feeling so mentally off the next day. So my banana split sundays and chocolate bar and soda have been replaced with Fresh veggie/fruit juice, activia yogurt, chocolate and fruit.

                            I did like the idea of eating more protein and fat and from what I've read of TF, that lead me to Gary Taubes and eventually here. I'm giving this whole PB thing a try out. I think that it's more "flexible" to what works for the individual vs. "strictly" Paleo. There were some "strictly" Paleo folks on the SCD forums that were pretty gung ho and that always put me off. Plus, I love good dairy (cheese, butter, yogurt, etc. not so much plain milk, although when I do have milk, I've switched to whole) and don't seem to have problems with it, so I don't think I'll be cutting it out too soon -- another problem I had with the SCD. And, I like fruit!

                            Yeah my only reason for trying something a bit more "strict" is solely for the benefit. If I have something that is available and good for me that good ol Grok never have, GOOD FOR ME and screw him.

                            I never really like the beans, so removing them has not been an issue for me. I still cheat way to much with sweets (sugary stuff like candy chocolate (not dark, the sweet stuff) and so forth) but I have been pretty close to 100% on cutting out grains, though I occasionally miss pizza and sometimes donuts.

                            I think I have pretty much been a saint with regards to Wheat. I can't mess with the wheat though, really messes with my head. The upside is, this has been the most focused and driven 3 months of my life.

                            I'm also giving the PBF a try -- did my "assessment" for the essential primal movements tonight...it wasn't pretty. Again, I like how the PBF is flexible to what you like to do for physical activity. I could NOT do the running I liked when I was on SCD...the beans made that damn near impossible.
                            I cant stand the SCD bean factor. The gas omg....
                            I mean at first I thought it was funny. It's no longer funny. Its just annoying.

                            I'd like to start moving to a more raw diet, sun food type of thing. If I could get at least 55 percent raw, and still eat meat--that would be my ideal. Baby steps! I'll get there.

                            I just got the book, going to start reading soon

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                            • #15
                              I'd like to start moving to a more raw diet, sun food type of thing. If I could get at least 55 percent raw, and still eat meat--that would be my ideal. Baby steps! I'll get there.

                              This is very possible if you go with grass finished meats.
                              I eat most my eats either raw or medium rare.
                              I use to need everything cooked to burnt... lol.

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