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    Hi everyone...

    Im new here to both the forum AND to the dailyapple... and i have some questions...

    it seems to me that this primal way of eating is not only ridiculously basic, but probably easy to follow... i look at it like this... eat the same stuff a caveman would... meaning... meat, fruit, veggies, nuts and basically water

    so, nothing in a box, nothing in cellophane, and nothing that comes to your car after you talk into a clowns mouth to ask for it... is this pretty accurate?

    couple of things i need to know about though... and before ii ask, i ll give you some personal information first

    43 yoa, 5-11, 200 lbs... maybe a 32" waist

    i consider myself pretty active for 43, although my job requires me to sit at my desk all day

    i play hockey (2nd season EVER) and i also do the (no rolling of the eyes please) insanity program, PURELY in an effort to increase my cardiac endurance so i can keep up with the 20-somethings that i play with/against..

    i have never struggled with my weight actually... i have been heavier, but that was because of poor habits and drinking a LOT of beer in my younger days... and cleaning off my kids plates when they were little

    i have done P90X and it worked to some degree, but became boring with the regimented schedule and i always felt GUILTY if i missed a workout... i understand the importance of exercise... honestly, i do, but i prefer to exercise the way *I* want to... playing hockey, chasing my wife around the house, or playing with my dogs... not living by the countdown stopwatch

    here are my questions:

    am i correct in my understanding mentioned above about the simplicity of this program?

    i wish to become/remain competitive on the rink, so ENERGY/STAMINA is CRUCIAL, will PF help?

    my mom, who is sedentary as HELL, has diabetes (T2) and i am curious if this may help her get off of some of the pills/meds she has to take?

    also, my wife, who HAS heard of this (or similar programs) used to be a total good eater... not a militant, mind you, but a good wholesome eater... now she has developed parts of her body that she considers... jiggly... and she doesnt like them... will this help her?

    we dont NEED instantaneous results, but increased energy and some VISUAL evidence would be VERY cool...

    how hard is it to get started?

    do we need to have a pantry intervention where we ceremoniously discard all of the evil processed foods in front of the tribal leaders?

    and lastly, i have read some of the other threads here and some people seem to be getting hung up on carbs and calories and carb re-feeding (whatever the hell THAT is) and a bunch of other pseudo-scientific stuff, that, i would guess, Grok would have no idea OR interest in... are they making it just too damn complicated?

    all we want to do is eat right, feel better, be in shape (mentally and physically), be strong and maybe NOT be so self concious about donning a loin cloth behind closed doors and KNOWING that we look good naked...

    so, any insight you may have will be greatly appreciated... and maybe explain it to me like i m 4 so i can relay it to my wife who is SO much smarter about this stuff than *I* am...

    thanks!

    PH

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    Originally posted by PrimalHockey View Post
    Hi everyone...

    Im new here to both the forum AND to the dailyapple... and i have some questions...

    it seems to me that this primal way of eating is not only ridiculously basic, but probably easy to follow... i look at it like this... eat the same stuff a caveman would... meaning... meat, fruit, veggies, nuts and basically water

    so, nothing in a box, nothing in cellophane, and nothing that comes to your car after you talk into a clowns mouth to ask for it... is this pretty accurate?

    couple of things i need to know about though... and before ii ask, i ll give you some personal information first

    43 yoa, 5-11, 200 lbs... maybe a 32" waist

    i consider myself pretty active for 43, although my job requires me to sit at my desk all day

    i play hockey (2nd season EVER) and i also do the (no rolling of the eyes please) insanity program, PURELY in an effort to increase my cardiac endurance so i can keep up with the 20-somethings that i play with/against..

    i have never struggled with my weight actually... i have been heavier, but that was because of poor habits and drinking a LOT of beer in my younger days... and cleaning off my kids plates when they were little

    i have done P90X and it worked to some degree, but became boring with the regimented schedule and i always felt GUILTY if i missed a workout... i understand the importance of exercise... honestly, i do, but i prefer to exercise the way *I* want to... playing hockey, chasing my wife around the house, or playing with my dogs... not living by the countdown stopwatch

    here are my questions:

    am i correct in my understanding mentioned above about the simplicity of this program?

    i wish to become/remain competitive on the rink, so ENERGY/STAMINA is CRUCIAL, will PF help?

    my mom, who is sedentary as HELL, has diabetes (T2) and i am curious if this may help her get off of some of the pills/meds she has to take?

    also, my wife, who HAS heard of this (or similar programs) used to be a total good eater... not a militant, mind you, but a good wholesome eater... now she has developed parts of her body that she considers... jiggly... and she doesnt like them... will this help her?

    we dont NEED instantaneous results, but increased energy and some VISUAL evidence would be VERY cool...

    how hard is it to get started?

    do we need to have a pantry intervention where we ceremoniously discard all of the evil processed foods in front of the tribal leaders?

    and lastly, i have read some of the other threads here and some people seem to be getting hung up on carbs and calories and carb re-feeding (whatever the hell THAT is) and a bunch of other pseudo-scientific stuff, that, i would guess, Grok would have no idea OR interest in... are they making it just too damn complicated?

    all we want to do is eat right, feel better, be in shape (mentally and physically), be strong and maybe NOT be so self concious about donning a loin cloth behind closed doors and KNOWING that we look good naked...

    so, any insight you may have will be greatly appreciated... and maybe explain it to me like i m 4 so i can relay it to my wife who is SO much smarter about this stuff than *I* am...

    thanks!

    PH
    Welcome!

    It doesn't have to be that simple. And go easy on the fruit and nuts. "Grok" didn't eat that many of either. And you can eat lots of foods that come in boxes and cellophane. But, no, nothing from clowns.

    Start primal when you do not have energy/stamina demands for at least a week or two. You might want to consider the Archevore diet to start, including potatoes and white rice. (But keep coming to MDA for information. And I would recommend more vegetables than Archevore suggests.)

    Yes, primal can help with diabetes.

    Yes, primal can reduce the jiggles.

    Some people throw out all non-primal foods, some don't. I didn't. But you do want to get rid of sugar, junk food, wheat, and all vegetable oils except olive and coconut.

    Good luck with primal.
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    Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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    • #3
      Thanks Hedonist...

      we re hoping that getting started will be easier than what we think... we already eat PRETTY good, but theres still junk in the house the we need to weed out... and getting mom to do it will be a bitch... shes NOT a vegetable eater...

      as far as shopping goes, would kroger/publix/wal-mart be ok? we have a trader joes and several harrys (whole foods) and farmers markets in the area... but theyre pretty proud of their stuff and some of it (produce) doesnt seem to be as pretty and fresh as we like (at TJs anyway)...

      i m sure i ll be back here with LOTS of questions... thanks for your input

      PH

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      • #4
        Getting started is the toughest part. When you go through it. Every thing seems clear in you mind and in your path too.

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        • #5
          Your local megamart is fine.
          Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, steak in one hand, chocolate in the other, yelling "Holy F***, What a Ride!"
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          • #6
            I found getting started to be ridiculously simple. And gratifying. Not to say it's that way for everybody, but it felt 'right' to me.
            Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
            http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

            F/49/5'4"
            Jan. 1, 2011: 186.6 lbs PBSW Mar. 1, 2011: 175.8 lbs
            CW: 146.8 lbs
            GW 140 lbs
            A proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals

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            • #7
              Definitely keep it simple at first, and don't rely on the forums as your guide. The forums are filled with 1) people who have specific health issues 2) people who really enjoy learning about this stuff as a hobby 3) people with extreme fitness goals and 4) nutbags.

              Just use the links in my sig below, and buy Mark's damn book. No need for food-ditching ceremonies, loincloths, or the like. And yes, it works like a charm, it's kind of amazing, but you have to give it a few weeks. And fruit and nuts are not "core" foods, they are occasional snacks. Think about a protein source - meat, eggs - and a pile of seasonal veggies as the basis for every meal. Welcome!
              If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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              • #8
                most excellent friends... thanks for the advice and the willingness to help

                i ll read the threads and such and i am also going to order marks book... my goals are pretty simple... be in shape, lose weight, look GREAT naked, and score goals!

                thanks again, i ll be in touch...

                and tfarny, the loincloth is for FUN around the house

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                • #9
                  OK what about condiments?... texas pete, worcestershire, soy sauce (in moderation)... i havent seen anything about that in here...

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                  • #10
                    Some people make their own primal versions of their favourite condiments. Others *ahem* can't be bothered and use the bottled stuff but count it as part of their 20% leeway - often choosing to be 'stricter' elsewhere.
                    Newcomers: If you haven't read the book, at least read this thread ... and all the links!
                    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread17722.html

                    F/49/5'4"
                    Jan. 1, 2011: 186.6 lbs PBSW Mar. 1, 2011: 175.8 lbs
                    CW: 146.8 lbs
                    GW 140 lbs
                    A proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PrimalHockey View Post
                      OK what about condiments?... texas pete, worcestershire, soy sauce (in moderation)... i havent seen anything about that in here...
                      Most are full of sugar/corn syrup. But as long as you're not chugging the stuff I wouldn't sweat it. Although I just gave away a huge bottle of Lucille's BBQ sauce because of all the corn syrup - I've GOT to start reading ALL labels, gah!
                      Positively Radical Pigeonholes are for Pigeons!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PrimalHockey View Post
                        my mom, who is sedentary as HELL, has diabetes (T2) and i am curious if this may help her get off of some of the pills/meds she has to take?

                        also, my wife, who HAS heard of this (or similar programs) used to be a total good eater... not a militant, mind you, but a good wholesome eater... now she has developed parts of her body that she considers... jiggly... and she doesnt like them... will this help her?[/B]
                        we dont NEED instantaneous results, but increased energy and some VISUAL evidence would be VERY cool...
                        Oh yes, the Jigglies. If your wife is in her 40s, she's entering a time when her body will do stupid things like developing aches and pains and putting on those dang Jigglies. Eating primally will help, but she'll need to take up some kind of exercise - at least what Mark advocates - regular long walks and lifting heavy things.
                        Positively Radical Pigeonholes are for Pigeons!

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                        • #13
                          Well, it has worked great for me as a weight loss program, but I had a terrible "low carb flu" for a while and desperately needed a "carb refeed." So I wouldn't dismiss everything on here that goes beyond get rid of x, y, and z (grains, sugar, processed stuff) as pseudo-science, although it is true that a lot of things that people say here are not as well supported by scientific evidence as they should be to justify the tone of certainty. That's true in the rest of the world, however, not just here.

                          Someone said to get rid of all vegetable oils except olive oil and coconut oil. Neither one is a vegetable, so you see a problem with the forum. I personally am fascinated by all of this, so I do it for fun. Besides, I don't have a job and have plenty of time. But I agree with tfarny, the first thing to do is read the book and then the get started section.

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                          • #14
                            A huge part of what you see with those detailed tricks and techniques is people trying to tweak that final little boost that they want towards their goals. It's not really necessary for most people.

                            The most important things I would recommend for a beginner would be:
                            1. Give it a full month of primal eating before you start trying any of the special tricks. Carb flu can suck, and there's no real way to predict how it will affect you. Stick with it for at least 30 days.
                            2. Don't force change on people who don't want it. You can't change your mom. Encourage, but don't argue about it. Explain your concerns, but don't let her try to defend it, or she will become defensive.
                            3. This one is tied to #1, but learn how to listen to your body. Don't eat because you have food, eat because you are hungry. Don't go hungry because you think you've eaten enough. Learn when your body is telling you something is wrong, and adjust. You''ll start figuring out what the wrong things for you are pretty quickly, and they may not be the same as your wife or mom.
                            Last edited by jfreaksho; 06-01-2011, 07:16 PM. Reason: remembered...

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                            • #15
                              good thoughts everyone, and i thank you very much for your insight...

                              for bookstorecowboy, i didnt mean it as an insult or dig to the others here, it just sounds to me like they are making something that seems so incredibly easy to do (if a cave man didnt eat it, you cant either) increasingly complicated... but i ALSO understand the tweaking as part of what makes it fun and interesting...

                              the book should be here in a couple days and i am VERY excited to get into it... i LOVE to learn new stuff, so this should be an interesting trip...

                              i ve started on the plan to some degree, basically cutting the crap out and eating veggies/meat more... staying away from bread and such... i eat when i get hungry and i TRY to feed mom something close to what i am eating... shes a meat/potatoes person... very little love for the veggies in her diet... i wont force her to eat them, but i d really like to see her eat something MORE than yogurt covered pretzels and diet coke and call THAT a meal >:/

                              my wife is totally down with doing this program too, and i understand that she needs to exercise, as does she... she quit smoking and started exercising the same week and that coupled with allergies contributed to landing her in the hospital for 3 days with monster bronchitis... so shes leery about it... also understood... it basically scared the shit out of her

                              anyway... one more question and i ll leave you guys alone til the book arrives...

                              what about supplements... off the shelf vitamins, whey protein powders, and the use of creatine... i dont want to waste the stuff =) and sometimes i get a protein bar or some hard boiled eggs after a game when i m totally wiped out

                              i play hockey and i use that as part of my exercise regimen... i am thinking of incorporating a daily skate into my regimen, both for the exercise aspect and for the plain fact that i NEED the practice... two birds, one stone...

                              thoughts?

                              thanks again everyone... im SO looking forward to having grok as a role model

                              PH

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