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  • #16
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    As long as we don't go the 'Chinese' way of modifying our population (kill/ abort/ dispose of) every girl. Now, they have a MAJOR issue with the lack of women over there.


    I think we try to play God too much and worry our little heads over some pretty 'over-thought' statistics and the like.


    God said to multiply and populate the Earth. I did that, within reason of my sanity and income and do not feel ashamed. The Octomom, however, well, she should be shot....

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    • #17
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      We've already populated the Earth, SassaFrass. And whether or not we believe that it's our God-ordained duty to keep the planet populated, just a quick look around (and, yes, consideration of those "pretty statistics") will indicate that the Earth CANNOT sustain continued population growth.


      Try to bear in mind that when/if God gave that command, he was talking to two people who had the task of populating the entire Earth (or at least a sizeable portion of it). Now that we have a more-than-sustainable population of 6.5 billion, I think it's time we move on to other priorities - like making sure that the fruit of our womb has a decent planet to live in and a reliable source of food.


      I wouldn't want Americans to start killing their daughters any more than you do, but there has to be a compromise. Already we have parents with more kids than they can feed and kids with no parents to feed them. Continued rampant reproduction is not the way back.

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      • #18
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        Ha, Sassa that's a strong opinion I was definitely alluding to the population controls in China with my earlier post, government has no business controlling population in that manner (I know, not that they have to kill their baby girls, they just choose to because "boys are better"). Some people will want a lot of children, but the trend for educated women is definitely to have 0-2 it seems, which is good for families and for the planet in my opinion.

        You are what you eat,
        and what you eat eats too - Michael Pollan

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        • #19
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          No, actually, I wasn't responding to your post, actually, so please don't think I was talking in regards to what you said ;-)


          I still think that as an 'open-minded' generation, we still try to play 'God' too much, as it were.


          That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.


          I'm all about recycling and keeping my part of keeping this beautiful Earth in tip-top shape, but to throw around the thought of 'keeping your breeding low' is just a stupid thought to me. Sorry!

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          • #20
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            Is there a logical reason why it seems like a bad idea not to reproduce rampantly?

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            • #21
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              Is there any way to reduce it?

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              • #22
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                Of course there are ways to reduce it. I can think of quite a few that doesn't involve killing babies or shooting anyone who decided to have 14 of them.

                I'd rather see a controlled reproduction that the need for wars and such to cut on the head number.

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                • #23
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                  [quote]

                  Is there any way to reduce it?</blockquote>


                  Yup, following CW!

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                  • #24
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                    Ha ha Maba!


                    Just like socialism. There are ideas that seem ideal, yet cannot actually work in the long-run. Sorry, just can&#39;t buy it.


                    Homeostasis in the World? That would be awesome. World Peace? Yes Please! Everyone love everyone and no need for guns? I sure wish!


                    Does this exist and has it existed in the past? No. Sadly no.

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                    • #25
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                      Although it has already been mentioned, it bears repeating that education has consistently been the most effective method of reducing birth rates. This is a humane form of intentional population control that violates none and empowers many.


                      Whether or not conscious actions towards effective population control are "playing god" is an invalid argument. I assume that playing god refers to the idea that human actions can supercede a divinely ordained plan. If this is true, then every exercise of free will is, in effect, an act of playing god. If free will is subtracted from the equation and we only allow for divine predestination, then deliberation over our actions is fruitless.


                      Our species is entirely capable of making lucid decisions on the basis of rational arguments and supportive evidence in our efforts to synergize our existence with the well-being of our planet. Whether we succeed or fall prey to our baser desires remains to be seen.

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                      • #26
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                        Tomato Tomahto. Valid, invalid.


                        Sometimes we try to over-think this junk. I refuse to &#39;worry&#39; about it.


                        I know where my future lies and I don&#39;t need to obsess over such &#39;worrisome&#39; ideas, that&#39;s all. Call me stupid. I don&#39;t care. I have better things to &#39;worry&#39; about. No wait, I don&#39;t!

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                        • #27
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                          Apathy is man&#39;s greatest enemy.


                          Seriously, why shouldn&#39;t you care? You went and made all those kids, and they&#39;re probably going to make kids of there own. Aren&#39;t you the slightest bit concerned that your actions are going to have an impact on their lives?


                          I&#39;ve heard the "I don&#39;t care" argument used many times before, and while it may not be this way for you, it seems to me that it often means "I&#39;m afraid you might be right, and that scares me, so I don&#39;t want to talk about it." In any case, it&#39;s a pretty lame cop-out, especially when you started the discussion in the first place.

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                          • #28
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                            GeriMorgan> +1


                            If everyone cared and did their small part, we wouldn&#39;t have half the problems we do.


                            It&#39;s the arrogant attitude of &#39;it&#39;s someone elses problem&#39; or &#39;it doesn&#39;t apply to me&#39; that gets everyone in trouble.


                            Everyone should make a stand and refuse to be one of the ignorant masses that continues to mess things up. Most people here can do it with their health, so why not do it for the planet as well?


                            Closing your eyes is not the way to make problems go away.


                            "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

                            The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                            Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . . Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                            Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                            Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                            • #29
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                              Great debate. Great arguments and emotional responses. Some of you are so eloquent in your expressions that I find it difficult to come up to that standard! (Shine you come to mind!)


                              In my view, it all comes down to choice. In the Western World, we are privileged to decide if and how many children we want. In lots of other countries women do not have that choice.

                              I agree with overpopulation being an issue, I also believe the genetic quality of people reproducing to be an issue and the medical tempering with it. By no means am I suggesting baby killings, mass sterilization etc.

                              I do have a problem with the "absolute right to reproduce" though. Should we still consider this at any cost to the rest of the world?


                              I am a strong advocate of birth control and education and I also strongly believe in fundamental equality between the sexes.


                              On a more personal level, ever since being very small I knew I would not want to reproduce. I like children and I work with them, but I simply have no urge, no emotional desire to bear one. There is no logical explanation to this and I have been "overthinking" it for years, but to no avail.


                              Living in a very Catholic place people still tell me one day I will change my mind (I am 39) and how much I will miss out on being a mother etc. Actually, NO. All I am going to miss out on is bringing a life into this very uncertain world hoping to receive unconditional love, sacrificing myself up to a point and then probably being disappointed if the child doesn&#39;t turn out the way I had been hoping for.

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