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  • Hello from the UK

    Hello all,

    I have just come across MDA and all things primal - so fortunate to have followed a link on another blog, and feel that this has opened up a whole new world that I was confident was out there but could never find.

    I feel as if I have battled to lose weight for so long, and like to consider myself as reasonably intelligent so I never went for any of the cabbage-soup, single-food, lose 28lbs in 7 days kind of diets - and have instead been living off a diet of largely tuna (in spring water - it's healthier ) and whole-wheat pasta (healthier ) for the last 6 months; which I now can see wasn't rally that intelligent! During the time I have tried to stay clear of sugar, and processed junk but seem to fall off the wagon consistently about twice a week.

    I have failed until now, having just finished the PB, to notice that I often have cravings for sugar and simple carbs following a dinner that is largely made up of carbs. In addition when I finish a night shift, and come home and sleep - when I wake up I am like a man possessed reaching for the nearest quick fix carbs - I now presume this was because of the insulin and how low my blood sugar has gone during the 18 hours without food.

    I now look back and can think that on the occasions where I had a steak and some broccoli for dinner, that I would feel satisfied for hours afterwards, and would have energy - whereas I have got used to having regular crashes through the day on my current diet and have put this down to tiredness, rather than diet.

    I have taken caffeine tablets for a couple of years to get me up in the morning and through the day, and thought this was 'normal'.

    I'm looking forward to a complete change in lifestyle - I have just got back from the butchers and now have some great grass-fed beef, some lovely pork chops and 4 chicken breasts - most of which will go in the freezer.

    The next step is to head to the supermarket - being a big curry fan, it's good to know that coconut milk is all good - but I understand I should get some coconut oil for cooking with as I tend to use EVOO.

    Are there any other things that should go on my shopping list?

    Do you other PB'ers find yourself shopping weekly, or every couple of days for freshness?

    Are there any threads that I should read, that will help bring me up to speed, and prevent me asking questions that have been asked a hundred times before?

    Here's to a healthier life,

    Adam

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    Hiya Adam (and I'm NOT jealous you're in Devon, REALLY I'm not...)

    Welcome to the Cave! You're lucky to be in a part of the country where you can easily obtain pastured meat (it's difficult here being so close to London).

    EVOO (and I can't stop giggling every time I see it written like that - think Shooting Stars...) is NOT good for cooking as (and you can search Mark's blog for the accurate reason) I believe it causes the MUFAs to turn into PUFAs and we don't want that. Olive oil's fine though.

    You'll struggle to find coconut oil in shops over here, you'll have to order it online - but be warned, it's VERY expensive (at least it seems that way to me). I've seen it priced at as much as 15 for 500ml.

    I'm afraid I'm with you on the caff tabs (though I've been taking an ECA stack for years to get me through the day and I can't quit it now!)

    Someone posted (think it was Grizz) that keeping a small bag of raw (i.e. not roasted or salted) almonds or macadamias on hand helps with carb cravings (I can't attest to that as I managed to go cold turkey on the grains - I do love macs though).

    There are many knowlegeable folks on here (CillaKat's good for supplementation advice, Batty for all round advice, Daemonized for advice about IFing (though I wouldn't recommend you try fasting until you've adjusted - I did and it's messed me up good and ruddy proper!)) - oh there are many, many folks who know their stuff!)

    As for supplements, it's a good idea to take a good multivit (and by 'good' I DO NOT mean Boots or H&B - both are overpriced and understrength) vitamin D (CillaKat's your lassie for advice about that) and a probiotic.

    I buy mine from iHerb (be warned you'll be stung for customs duty and VAT) but even so, let me illustrate what I mean: - I buy Dr.'s Best Vitamin D caps. I paid 15 for 360, 5,000UI caps from iHerb (18.60 with customs + VAT). I take 2 a day (will reduce to one after a month or so). The strongest you'll find in H&B (and probably Boots, too) are 1,000UI for around 7.50 - 100 tabs in a bottle. Now, it's recommended you take 1,000UI per 25lb bodyweight (or part thereof) so I should be taking 1 cap. This would cost me 37.5p per day if I was to buy from H&B; from iHerb it's around 5p a day (and that's the tax inclusive price!)

    A good Omega 3 supp's considered essential, too. Again, it's FAR cheaper to buy from iHerb (even with tax) than it is from H&B. The ones I get are NOW Foods.

    Think that's all for now.

    Welcome again, and I hope you learn as much as I have here - they're friendly folk.

    Sarah
    La tristesse durera toujours...

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    • #3
      *Cackles and rubs hands at arrival of another UK member*

      Welcome to the forum, ninja. The first thing that came to my mind regarding the shopping was to get some lard, it's cheap and great for frying. Also Kerrygold is a good butter. Aaaaaaaaaand if you're ever buying supermarket steak for some reason, Morrisons is a truck-load better than Tesco. But farm shops are better, almost always. Oh and cauliflower rice is not a bad substitute for 'normal' grain rice, which being a curry fan you may miss a bit.

      Other than that, good luck!
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      • #4
        I understand I should get some coconut oil for cooking with as I tend to use EVOO.

        I got mine on ebay to begin with

        If you've got a good veggie health food shop in the area, they should have it.

        plenty of eggs, they will become your new best friend. curry paste (thai is good) plenty of chicken thighs, stewing steak, offal if you can stand it, bacon, plenty of that gorgeous devonshire butter, spices and herbs, garlic, balsamic/red/cider vinegar, mackerel (tinned for an emergency), smoked salmon, some fresh Full fat greek yoghurt..

        hope that helps!
        Scottish Sarah

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Primal Fist View Post
          *Cackles and rubs hands at arrival of another UK member*

          Welcome to the forum, ninja. The first thing that came to my mind regarding the shopping was to get some lard, it's cheap and great for frying. Also Kerrygold is a good butter. Aaaaaaaaaand if you're ever buying supermarket steak for some reason, Morrisons is a truck-load better than Tesco. But farm shops are better, almost always. Oh and cauliflower rice is not a bad substitute for 'normal' grain rice, which being a curry fan you may miss a bit.

          Other than that, good luck!

          Wish GX still had a farmers' market. It was cancelled due to lack of interest (well it was on Wednesday mornings!)
          La tristesse durera toujours...

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          • #6
            Thank you all for the welcome.

            SpicesofIndia appears to have some coconut oil, is that the stuff?

            I currently have some chicken, being cooked with Kerrygold butter - smelling good.

            I do feel lucky to have so many local farmers markets, farm shops, good butchers etc.

            Queen Sheba - I have come across your pancake recipe, and that looks lovely!! I can't seem to find almond flour anywhere - any tips?

            Hoping to stock up cupboards tomorrow!

            I will have to research supplementation, because I don't even take a multi-vit at the moment!

            Planning a guilt free bacon and cheese omelette tomorrow for breakfast.

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            • #7
              Good choices, I just had a bacon and cheese omelette today - waaiiiit a minute!
              Also Sheba's pancakes are awesome. As is her 'mostly Primal' very dark chocolate mousse... but that's an occasional treat. *cough*
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Primal Fist View Post
                Good choices, I just had a bacon and cheese omelette today - waaiiiit a minute!
                Also Sheba's pancakes are awesome. As is her 'mostly Primal' very dark chocolate mousse... but that's an occasional treat. *cough*
                i just had one too!! but with sauteed mushrooms and bacon!

                you will find 100g bags of almond flour in ANY supermarket, in the food isle where the chocolate chips for cooking are. usually about 1 and the 100g will make about 5-6 small pancakes!

                :- )
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                • #9
                  holland and barrett sell coconut oil =D!
                  7 a tub i think it is
                  i got some months ago and its no were near done!

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                  • #10
                    Woo, another Brit Grok! Are we ready to wage war on the American Tribe yet? *giggles* Like Violet, I'm jealous of you living in Devon too. Gorgeous place, used to holiday there as a child.

                    I find coconut oil quite easy to find here, but I'm in Northern Ireland. Most health food stores sell it, as well as Holland and Barrett like Fergal suggested. Nearly every Indian store sells it too, but it's usually the refined sort and you'll want to stay away from that. (Unless you use it as a hair conditioner, like I do).

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                    • #11
                      Hi Adam! Good to see another UKer joining. I tend to shop weekly, with meat going straight in the freezer, and topping up with fresh veg when necessary. Like many PBers I'm finding I can't live without good butter, and am getting through an enormous amount of eggs and bacon; chicken/salmon/occasional steak are also great and I usually bulk meals out with loads of broccoli or spinach.

                      There''s loads of great suggestions here and a mass of information and alternatives.

                      Good luck!

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                      • #12
                        Just wanted to say hi! I'm a bit further West than you, down in Cornwall.

                        I tend to do a once a week shop at my local stores. And pop into a supermarket maybe once a fortnight to stock up on other bits and bobs. Keeps me out of the shops and on budget. All gotta make compromises I guess. I just make sure the stuff that doesn't keep well gets eaten first and obviously you can put all your meat in the freezer. I menu-plan on Wednesdays and go shopping on Thursdays- just like my mum... and my nan! My shopping list is pretty basic these days, but very yummy! Fresh fruit, veggies and herbs, meat, eggs, nuts and variety of animal fats to cook with.

                        I think menu-planning is generally an excellent idea because it means you can make sure you get the full breadth of foods in your diet- oh and don't have a load of waste at the end of the week. I tend to waste more if I'm constantly in the shops and something will always get ignored and left in the fridge.

                        I have a chaotic creative streak and by being organised it means I can divert my energy into more interesting things than the stress of "what shall I eat for dinner tonight?" Oh, and definitely handy if you're starting out and you find the carb-cravings are getting to you one way or another- not good standing in the middle of a supermarket at 8pm after a long stressful day.

                        Are you doing this on your own? Bulk cooking might be very handy- make your own freezer meals.

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                        • #13
                          More welcome messages - thank you all!

                          I'm thinking of starting a journal - it seems the more you read, the more questions you have, so it would be great to have somewhere I can document this lifestyle change.

                          Fergal, thanks for the recommendation of H&B - I used to go in there a few years back to get chocolate coated nuts, and rationalised this as being positive because they're a "health-food store".

                          I keep seeing duck fat and goose fat at Sainsbury's - is this any good? And avocado oil as well? Or is coconut oil the gold standard?

                          Webby, good to hear from a local. I will soon be starting work in Liskeard, and really should start surfing again soon at Polzeath. I'm doing the PB alone, but am confident MrsAdam will join me if she can see benefits to my health and weight. We have agreed that we will cook a primal evening meal, and sort out our breakfast and lunch separately for the time being. MrsAdam is gluten intolerant, and does not eat pasta - so there isn't a lot that she would be missing - except the sweets that she seems to constantly be rationalising eating, or regretting having consumed. The main difficulty for MrsAdam is that she isn't a big fan of vegetables - I think in part because she is so used to a carb-loaded diet. I tend to eat a lot of broccoli, cauliflower, spinach, carrots, peppers, tomatoes and berries; whilst MrsAdam is much keener on her broad beans, peas, runner beans, tomatoes and carrots.

                          I have never really thought of, or attempted batch cooking and freezing meals, but that would really make a lot of sense and I presume would work out cheaper too? What kind of meals do you cook and freeze?

                          Adam

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by adam_devon View Post
                            I'm thinking of starting a journal - it seems the more you read, the more questions you have, so it would be great to have somewhere I can document this lifestyle change.

                            great - you will benefit from it a lot, and instead of asking loads of questions, you can just ask to have your journal reviewed....it's easier to pinpoint your progression

                            Fergal, thanks for the recommendation of H&B - I used to go in there a few years back to get chocolate coated nuts, and rationalised this as being positive because they're a "health-food store".

                            I would check it is the proper foodstuff and not for your hair or whatever...H&B don't have the best rep round here. Try ebay...HONEST!

                            I keep seeing duck fat and goose fat at Sainsbury's - is this any good? And avocado oil as well? Or is coconut oil the gold standard?

                            duck/goose fat AAA++ for effort - tastes frikking awesome. yummeee! Avocadoi hear good too, not really for cooking, more for salads. Stock up on those fats!

                            I have never really thought of, or attempted batch cooking and freezing meals, but that would really make a lot of sense and I presume would work out cheaper too? What kind of meals do you cook and freeze?

                            my stew was pretty amazing. My soup was not. I have venison cubes (3 in Asda) and i'm going to make a red wine hunters pot.. yumm!!!
                            Scottish Sarah

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                            • #15
                              Re: batch-cooking. So many recipes seem to be for four people that you might as well just freeze one-half (or have it for leftovers), and save faffing with random half-onions etc! It probably is cheaper- but the ease is what I like (and less washing up!)- especially as we are heading into the Autumn/Winter and my energy levels are going to take a severe dip, PB or no-PB.

                              I'm pretty old-school British cooking (without the pie toppings obv!), so most of my stuff for the freezer is:
                              casseroles/stews
                              curry
                              fish pie- that's for the kids as I don't do dairy anymore ;(
                              basic mince- base for bolognaises, shepherds pies etc
                              sausage casserole.
                              Chicken broth/stock. I've not had too much success either with freezing soup- but you can at least make the stock ahead.

                              Loads of different variations. Just enough to off-set those days when tea-time is gonna be rushed or whatever.

                              I used to make big batches of Cornish Pasties (pastry made with lard) but those days are behind me now!

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