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  • #16
    HBarrett,
    Candida Die-Off ? ? I looked it up and found this:

    Dietary Changes: When you begin to make healthy changes in your diet, you begin to starve the excess yeasts that have been hanging around gobbling up the extra sugars in your blood. When there is not enough fuel for these yeasts, they begin to die off.

    Yeasts were swimming around in your blood?
    Candida Die-off Symptoms
    I have been battling this monster on and off for years and years. My crummy diet of the past year fed this monster once again. I decide I had to fight it tooth and nail this time. I stopped eating sweets of any kind and also bread, white pasta, etc. about 3 weeks ago. Within days my body started to react.

    Just sick as a dog when I stopped feeding the candida. It started to die-off naturally and then I went on Candex and Three lac to start killing off more. Hiatal hernia and acid reflux started acting up and I have had to sleep upright for weeks.

    The Die-off symptoms I have gone through have been hell. I lost 10 pounds, have been weak and in bed for 3 weeks. Spells where I feel I am dying and I start itching and muscle jerking. Brain fog, completely furry white tongue, burning skin, numbness in arms, face, moving eyeballs, intense belching, horrible body odor and have had to take 3 baths a day, fowl smelling bowel movements...toxic, hard to breathe, anxiety, crying, nausea. It's like someone going through a drug withdrawl.

    I have had to keep my mind focused knowing that this cleanse is doing me good, not harm. I probably needed to be in a hospital to go through this, so someone could take care of me when the hard spells hit. My husband has not been supportive, sorry to say.

    I have backed off my candida killers, and will try to chill out for awhile and get back up on my feet again. I am taking lots of b12, b complex, c complex, magnesium, lots of water, benefiber.

    ANy hints for helping the die-off not be so extreme, please let me know!!!
    http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=271085
    Is this for real? Were these people eating a bowl of sugar for dinner? Did you go through this, too?

    I just found this HORRIBLE link on Candidas:
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    Candida Albicans is a yeast that occurs naturally in the human body. Normally it lives in harmony with a variety of other microorganisms and actually performs a couple important functions. The problem occurs when something upsets the balance of bacteria in the body and this allows the yeast organism to proliferate and take over all the healthy microorganisms.

    It normally resides in the intestinal tract, mouth, throat and genitals, however it can burrow holes in the intestinal tract, enter the blood stream and then make it's way into any organ of the body. To make matters worse it emits over 70 different toxins into the body. Some people may even become allergic to the yeast itself.

    Once this hardy organism proliferates in the body, it wrecks havoc in many ways and is the initiator of many common maladies, conditions, syndromes and illnesses in our population.
    http://www.holistichelp.net/candida.html
    One More Great Link on Candida
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    http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/candida/index.php

    This thing looks horrible. Is this for real??
    HBarrett, Anyone?

    Grizz
    Last edited by Grizz; 09-22-2010, 02:44 PM.

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    • #17
      Ok, no way I was eating a bowl of sugar a day, so my die-off, if that is what this is, is no where as bad as that womans -- yikes. But I have to say that reading all of the detailed info about Candida is freaking me out. What keeps me from most diets is restriction and rules. I have way too busy a life to be avoiding EVERYTHING, which is what drew me to the PB. That said I am wondering if I am pretty close to the candida diet but eating a little fruit, a little very very dark chocolate and some almonds and walnuts is it still possible that I am experiencing the effects of die-off?

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Trying4Primal View Post
        Ok, no way I was eating a bowl of sugar a day, so my die-off, if that is what this is, is no where as bad as that womans -- yikes. But I have to say that reading all of the detailed info about Candida is freaking me out. What keeps me from most diets is restriction and rules. I have way too busy a life to be avoiding EVERYTHING, which is what drew me to the PB. That said I am wondering if I am pretty close to the candida diet but eating a little fruit, a little very very dark chocolate and some almonds and walnuts is it still possible that I am experiencing the effects of die-off?

        I would say, from personal experience, no. Cutting out grains should have dealt with that one, but I'm surprised no-one's asked if you're taking a probiotic, as it's almost essential (Grok ate dirt, ergo he ate anything which came with the dirt; our diet is too sanitary, so we, 'naturally' have an upset balance of gut flora). I can't recommend anything (but I'm sure CillaKat'll be able to when she reads this (as she inevitably will - she's brilliant at helping newbies (she's helped me a lot...))
        La tristesse durera toujours...

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        • #19
          Trying4Primal,

          I am extremely skeptical of this Candida subject. I've never heard of it, and it is just not logical that yeast could infect the bloodstream. IMO, the immune system would just not allow it.

          Where did HBarrett disappear to? He brought this subject up. I suggest not doing anything until we find out a lot more about Candida.

          Griz

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Grizz View Post
            Trying4Primal,

            I am extremely skeptical of this Candida subject. I've never heard of it, and it is just not logical that yeast could infect the bloodstream. IMO, the immune system would just not allow it.

            Where did HBarrett disappear to? He brought this subject up. I suggest not doing anything until we find out a lot more about Candida.

            Griz

            Where did you get the notion that it "infects the bloodstream" (did HBarrett mention that? I didn't read his post properly, sorry)?

            Just because you've never heard of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist! Have you never heard of thrush? That's candida. Maybe you've not heard of it because, by definition, thrush is a ladies' problem, so you'd have no need to know about it.

            The medical term for an overabundance of candida albicans is candidasis and I can tell you that, yes, it most certainly does exist! Oral candidasis is an STI - and you ought to have come across that...

            I'm too tired, and too hungry, to give you a very full explanation but this Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candidiasis) does give a full - and accurate - explanation. Candida can 'infect' anywhere, and it usually does so because you're immunocompromised (if you wish to do some reading on the subject, then I can highly recommend Dr. Leon Chaitow's book Candida Albicans: The Non-Drug Approach To Candida Yeast Infection) and poor diet can cause a compromised immune system.

            Can't write anymore because Grokette Need Grub! <grin!>
            La tristesse durera toujours...

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            • #21
              I'm a female and one of the symptoms I was dealing with (after 10 weeks of PB) was a vaginal yeast infection -- the first one in decades. Also itching skin, face break-out, heavy fatigue and upset g.i. tract. I'm not an expert on candida by any means but it sure seemed like my system was trying to get rid of something! I'd been pretty conscientious with supplements for months -- including probiotics -- but had recently added digestive enzymes. Any illness is a healing crisis, I suppose, but this event simply had too many weird symptoms for me not to wonder about it.

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              • #22
                Sorry 'H', I thought were (shouldn't have changed it). Of COURSE candidasis exists, just because a BLOKE hasn't heard of it, he's not really any cause to as it primarily affects us lasses.

                Trying4Primal - candidasis most certainly DOES exist - Grizz is just too sceptical by half!
                La tristesse durera toujours...

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                • #23
                  Yes I take a probiotic -- culturelle once a day as well as digestive enzymes. I have been taking both for two years. Does anyone know enough about Candida to know if you can have die off without going on a 100% Candida diet? I'm pretty close but am still eating nuts and a bit of fruit.....I will say I have an extremely sensitive "system". So it would not surprise me if my body was going through some heavy withdrawal/detox....

                  Hbarrett---when you realized it might be Candida did you follow the Candida diet in the link you gave me? You said you are finally feeling better...did you change something?

                  Thanks, to all of you this is really helpful!

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                  • #24
                    My diet is pretty good except for a small amount of dairy. I'm feeling better because the process has run its course, I think. I want to credit Stone Age Queen for pointing me in this direction. Thanks!

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                    • #25
                      I went through a period of 'die-off' a few weeks after going through my carbflu adjustment stuff. It was nasty... but only lasted about a week and now my gut/immune system are stronger than ever!
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                      • #26
                        Yes, Candidasis exists, but the horrible symptoms in Grizzs' post indicate a severe fungal INFECTION and not a die off. When thrush gets going in the mouth the mouth becomes coated with a white covering along with being sore and inflammed.. Candida emits a lot of toxins when it's reproducing as it's a byproduct of the metabolism of the fungus. And yes, in immunocomprimised persons such as those with leukemia, AIDS, or post transplant the fungus can get into the bloodstream and infect the organs such as the heart, liver along with the esophagus.

                        Treatment is with such drugs as Nystatin or Micronozole. It's hard to imagine this type of infection breaking out in someone who is eating a healthy diet and is not immunocomprimised somehow.

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                        • #27
                          This thread is a couple weeks old but I want to add my $.02 here. I am 90% sure that I went through what you went through. And I am equally positive that I had candidiasis as well. This is normal for people who previously ate the standard high-carb diet. It is ESPECIALLY accurate if you previously took a bout of anti-biotics (many doctors recommend a "z-pack" which is a pack of three or four high potency anti-biotic pills). I was given a z-pack by my doctor to supposedly fight off a cold or something. After I finished my anti-biotics course I immediately developed a rash and became lethargic and achy.

                          A high-carb diet feeds the candida yeast that is part of the nartural flora in your gut. This causes it to EXPLODE in numbers and run rampant through your body, especially if you have a lowered immune system from a cold or flu.

                          Anti-biotics kill of candida's peer flora in your gut (bacteria) and allows more "elbow room" for candida to grow.

                          A high-carb/sugar/gluten/YEAST diet and anti-biotics create a perfect storm for candidiasis (a fancy word for an overabundance of candida). You very likely ARE experiencing candida die-off. It takes about a week for it to run its course. As it dies candida releases nasty toxins into your bloodstream that make you feel, look and perform like shit.

                          Here is a list of candida symptoms: http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candidasymptoms.htm

                          Here is a list of symptoms associated with candida die-off: http://www.thecandidadiet.com/candida-die-off.htm

                          Note that all of your symptoms are present on both of theses lists. Stick with it and you'll be getting rid of one nasty bug for good
                          A steak a day keeps the doctor away.

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