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    Been doing something like Primal for about 2 months. I don't particularly think of myself as Primal but I am fairly close in many ways. Not too much into the yabba dabba doo thing. LOL. I am pagan and have long hair and a beard. Mostly just aging hippy who likes to do historical reenactment, not caveman.

    Transition to mostly burning fat was fairly painless. Only a few days of feeling weak. No craving for carbs at all. I eat some non-primal ones every day because they taste good and go with what I'm eating. Could do without if I needed to. As long as I am losing fat and my blood sugar is going down, and I feel great, I don't see the need.

    Location: Sacramento, CA USA

    Age: 67

    Problems:
    Mild congestive heart failure (isn't that an oxymoron?) Had angina attack about 7 years ago when I was eating junk and working under lots of stress. No further damage since then. Doesn't limit me much. I take minimal doses of coreg and Furosemide. Have refused to take the other standard heart meds.

    Borderline diabetes. Definitely improving. Getting sunshine and extra vitamin D. Taking metformin.

    Seasonal allergies. Greatly improved.

    Need to continue to lose fat, especially abdominal. Losing 1-2 lb/week. According to my scale, I have about 23% fat.

    Doing PB:
    1. Eat lots of plants and animals - Yes. I eat beef, pork, poultry. Not variety meats. Love all fruits and veggies. No insects.

    2. Avoid poisonous things - I reject notion that grains other than wheat are poison. Eat rice, corn, oats, potatoes and/or legumes once or twice a day. Otherwise, only do some 20%, like diet Cokes, dining out and not worrying too much about what I order, etc. One or two drinks per day. Usually red wine or calvados. Some ultra dark chocolate daily.

    3. Move frequently at a slow pace - Yes. Have greatly increased the amount of this I do.

    4. Lift heavy things - Yes

    5. Sprint once in a while - Yes. Not ready to sprint on land. Do water sprints though.

    6. Get adequate sleep - So, so. Get 7-8 hours + a nap. Sleep not always very refreshing though.

    7. Play - Has always been hard for me. Working on it.

    8. Get adequate sunlight - Yes. Plus vitamin D supplements.

    9. Avoid stupid mistakes - Yes. I try.

    10. Use you brain - Yes. I try. I continue to work part time at a mentally demanding job.

    Do you consume dairy: Sure. Milk, cheese, sour cream, yogurt, butter.

    Do you drink coffee or tea: Decaf coffee. Sometimes tea or regular coffee.

    Motivator for switching to Primal: I was doing lots of the stuff already. I heard Mark speak. PB and MDA seemed like great resources. And are.

    Favorite exercise: Water aerobics.

    Favorite Primal food: Bacon and butter. Just because I wasn't eating those before (high saturated fat you know - hehe).

    Best part about being Primal: Losing fat. Lots of energy. Stuff I get to eat, like butter. Not having to bust my butt to be fit.

    Worst part about being Primal: I just don't do anything that would count as "worst."
    Ancestral Health Info

    I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

    Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

  • #2
    Forgot to mention - For the first time in many years, I am now always having erections when I wake up. (Not that I had needed Viagra or anything before.) I am assuming this is a sign that my circulatory system is improving.
    Ancestral Health Info

    I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

    Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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    • #3
      Somehow I feel dirty about posting this reply, but perhaps the change has been in Testosterone production?

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      • #4
        Could be that too. I'll take either. Or both. I figure it must be a good sign.
        Last edited by Hedonist; 08-20-2010, 10:08 AM.
        Ancestral Health Info

        I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

        Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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        • #5
          Strange things happening

          1. I am getting hair on my legs. I haven't had any for years, except ugly little patches on my knees. The rest migrated to my ears and nose years ago. Not sure how much I will get, but how many 67 year old people do you know who have any hair on their legs? (Unless they were hairy Groks to begin with.)

          2. For many years, the bottoms of my feet have been uncomfortable to touch. Not painful. Can't really describe it. It's like every nerve in my body was screaming. I told massage therapists to stay away from them. All gone now. Inflamation?

          3. There is a man who lives near us. We have never really talked. Just nice weather huh? Yep, beautiful. He asked me today if I was still in school! Umm, my high school 50 year reunion is coming up. (I'm sure he meant grad school.)

          Must be something to this primal stuff.
          Ancestral Health Info

          I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

          Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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          • #6
            All your improvements (ED, circulation, hair) are very likely a consequence of improved circulation and also healthier levels of testosterone. Which also means youŽll probably start seeing improvements in your angina.
            Congrats for giving the PB the benefit of the doubt, you won't regret it.
            Cheers!
            “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
            "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
            "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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            • #7
              Originally posted by SerialSinner View Post
              All your improvements (ED, circulation, hair) are very likely a consequence of improved circulation and also healthier levels of testosterone. Which also means youŽll probably start seeing improvements in your angina.
              Congrats for giving the PB the benefit of the doubt, you won't regret it.
              Cheers!
              Thanks! I actually have had only a few mild angina attacks since the angioplasty. About four were at high altitude doing more than normal exertion or once when there was a forest fire nearby. The only other one was when I was walking up a steep hill during the Bay to Breakers in San Francisco. For that I am thankful.

              Yes, for anyone who says saturated fat and cholesterol clog your arteries, I present myself as counter evidence.
              Ancestral Health Info

              I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

              Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Hedonist View Post
                1. I am getting hair on my legs. I haven't had any for years, except ugly little patches on my knees. The rest migrated to my ears and nose years ago. Not sure how much I will get, but how many 67 year old people do you know who have any hair on their legs? (Unless they were hairy Groks to begin with.)

                2. For many years, the bottoms of my feet have been uncomfortable to touch. Not painful. Can't really describe it. It's like every nerve in my body was screaming. I told massage therapists to stay away from them. All gone now. Inflamation?
                Diabetic neuropathy is improving

                My dad's is as well. Pretty cool stuff.


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                • #9
                  In your original post you said - "I reject notion that grains other than wheat are poison. Eat rice, corn, oats, potatoes and/or legumes once or twice a day."

                  I'm afraid you are not following the paleo diet at all. You might be eating "healthy", but otherwise you are violating one of the main principles of this lifestyle. I'm sure that other diets besides paleo can also contribute to good health and weight loss. Anyways, congrats on your progress. Maybe you should look into the Mediterranean Diet or something along those lines if you still eat grains and legumes.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lardomuncher View Post
                    In your original post you said - "I reject notion that grains other than wheat are poison. Eat rice, corn, oats, potatoes and/or legumes once or twice a day."

                    I'm afraid you are not following the paleo diet at all. You might be eating "healthy", but otherwise you are violating one of the main principles of this lifestyle. I'm sure that other diets besides paleo can also contribute to good health and weight loss. Anyways, congrats on your progress. Maybe you should look into the Mediterranean Diet or something along those lines if you still eat grains and legumes.
                    Why does someone have to "follow" one commercialized way of eating? If he's not "following" paleo/primal 100%, why should he have to look into another diet? It seems to be that everyone should do their own research, come to their own conclusions, how what they feel is best and use what resources they have available. Sounds like what this guy is doing.

                    I'm not saying I agree totally with him (I try to keep away from grains as much as possible) but I don't see why he should be encouraged to go elsewhere.

                    To OP, congrats on all your improvements! Good luck on your journey

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lardomuncher View Post
                      In your original post you said - "I reject notion that grains other than wheat are poison. Eat rice, corn, oats, potatoes and/or legumes once or twice a day."

                      I'm afraid you are not following the paleo diet at all. You might be eating "healthy", but otherwise you are violating one of the main principles of this lifestyle. I'm sure that other diets besides paleo can also contribute to good health and weight loss. Anyways, congrats on your progress. Maybe you should look into the Mediterranean Diet or something along those lines if you still eat grains and legumes.
                      Bullshit
                      Ancestral Health Info

                      I design websites and blogs for a living. If you would like a blog or website designed by someone who understands Primal, see my web page.

                      Primal Blueprint Explorer My blog for people who are not into the Grok thing. Since starting the blog, I have moved close to being Archevore instead of Primal. But Mark's Daily Apple is still the best source of information about living an ancestral lifestyle.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jqbancroft View Post
                        Why does someone have to "follow" one commercialized way of eating? If he's not "following" paleo/primal 100%, why should he have to look into another diet? It seems to be that everyone should do their own research, come to their own conclusions, how what they feel is best and use what resources they have available. Sounds like what this guy is doing.

                        I'm not saying I agree totally with him (I try to keep away from grains as much as possible) but I don't see why he should be encouraged to go elsewhere.

                        To OP, congrats on all your improvements! Good luck on your journey
                        That is fine, whatever works for him. I'm not trying to tell him to go away or bash on his progress or results. There are dozens of diets and lifestyles that people follow with great results in weight loss and improved health.

                        But, what if you went on a vegetarian forum and said - "I'm a vegetarian, but I don't agree with the whole meat is bad for your thing, so I eat steak, bacon and chicken ones or twice per day",,,,u see my point?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lardomuncher View Post
                          That is fine, whatever works for him. I'm not trying to tell him to go away or bash on his progress or results. There are dozens of diets and lifestyles that people follow with great results in weight loss and improved health.

                          But, what if you went on a vegetarian forum and said - "I'm a vegetarian, but I don't agree with the whole meat is bad for your thing, so I eat steak, bacon and chicken ones or twice per day",,,,u see my point?
                          Yes, and no because vegetarianism's sole definition is the avoidance of meat whereas Primal Blueprint is made up 10 laws, most of which Hedonist is following. Many people on this board harp on the point that the difference between paleo and primal is that paleo is only a way of eating and primal is a way of living. Hedonist is living primally and mostly following the diet (probably lower carb than SAD and eating plenty of saturated fats), so the vegetarian comparison falls short. To me, it's more like hedonist going to a vegetarian forum and saying "I'm down with vegetarian ideals, and I've mostly switched over but I'm lacto, ova, pesca vegetarian for now but I've seen great results already."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by jqbancroft View Post
                            Yes, and no because vegetarianism's sole definition is the avoidance of meat whereas Primal Blueprint is made up 10 laws, most of which Hedonist is following. Many people on this board harp on the point that the difference between paleo and primal is that paleo is only a way of eating and primal is a way of living. Hedonist is living primally and mostly following the diet (probably lower carb than SAD and eating plenty of saturated fats), so the vegetarian comparison falls short. To me, it's more like hedonist going to a vegetarian forum and saying "I'm down with vegetarian ideals, and I've mostly switched over but I'm lacto, ova, pesca vegetarian for now but I've seen great results already."
                            I see your point. But, I still disagree. Every diet or lifestyle has some basic beliefs that are the building blocks of that diet or lifestyle. In my belief and research, avoidance of grain is one of the main principles of the paloe diet and if you violate it, you are not eating paleo (and Hedonist mentioned eating grain every day and even twice per day). I know there are some gray area (some paleo followers eat dairy, others do not). But, every paleo follower will agree that avoidance of grain is probable the #1 doctrine of this diet. If you eat meat you will violate one of the main principles of vegetarianism; if you eat cooked food, you violate one of main principles of raw food-ism; if you eat bacon, you violate one of the main principles of the the conventional low fat diet, etc...

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lardomuncher View Post
                              I see your point. But, I still disagree. Every diet or lifestyle has some basic beliefs that are the building blocks of that diet or lifestyle. In my belief and research, avoidance of grain is one of the main principles of the paloe diet and if you violate it, you are not eating paleo (and Hedonist mentioned eating grain every day and even twice per day). I know there are some gray area (some paleo followers eat dairy, others do not). But, every paleo follower will agree that avoidance of grain is probable the #1 doctrine of this diet. If you eat meat you will violate one of the main principles of vegetarianism; if you eat cooked food, you violate one of main principles of raw food-ism; if you eat bacon, you violate one of the main principles of the the conventional low fat diet, etc...
                              Sure, sure, I see your point. I was never trying to argue that Hedonist was following PB to it's maximum potential, but that I didn't think it was good/nice/profitable to recommend he try another diet.

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