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  • #46
    I have the V-Pure DHA tablets and Veg 1 vitamin supplements and I will continue to get them - purely as they are very good supplements! Veg 1 has potatssium iodide (Vs. iodine) which is the thyroids preffered type, and a mega dose of B12.

    The V-Pure algae-based capsules I just find unique and I'd still like like to encourage vegan products, and help this product continue.

    So far I have been eating salmon and tuna, can't quite face anything other than that yet. But that's fine!

    My sleep has been so different! Waking up during the night thinking "Bored of sleep, want to do something" I have to force myself back to bed!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by dfast View Post
      First off, Stabby - your posts are wonderful.

      I am an ex-vegan who still maintains an active interest in that lifestyle. This is for a number of reasons. I have read compelling arguments from both sides with regards to what is an 'optimal' diet. That's just one part of the issue though. For me, veganism is linked with the culture I was immersed in when I was growing up - the music, ideas and creative thinking that I encountered both at college and when I moved to the city.
      Same here, my main influence in going vegan was due to my involvement in hardcore/punk growing up. The majority of my friends were vegan for the same reasons. To this day I'm hesitant in labeling myself as "primal," "paleo," or use any kind of "-ism" to pigeon-hole myself in any singular ideology. I am trying extremely hard to respect my friends' believes towards veganism but find it increasingly harder to accept that they are viewing this choice with a rational, analytical mindset instead of just an appeal to emotion or the safety net of being part of a sub-culture.

      I'm more active, have insane amounts of energy, can deadlift/squat/press exponentially more weight than I even could when vegan, and have lost a large amount of excess body fat. On the other hand I have a close friend whom has been vegan for 25+ years, with a good portion of that spent raw, who is now suffering from stage 3 cirrhosis of the liver despite never having touched alcohol in his life. Personally if I was in this situation, I'd take a very long hard look at the factors that brought me to that state, form a reasonable hypothesis and start testing; nothing would be sacred until I found a way to heal and prevent my body from degenerating. However, due to the heavy-handed morality involved with the vegan outlook, as well as the attachment to the vegan identity, the option for radically changing his diet is completely off the table.

      I do not attempt to persuade others to follow my same path as experience is the best teacher, but I am discouraged at the lack of objective thinking when it comes to following ANY fundamental mindset, veganism included.

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      • #48
        Sorry to read about your friend - does anyone know what could cause this?

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        • #49
          Pretty simple, obviously there will be some genetic pre-disposition to this but:

          Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) is one cause of fatty liver changes, when fat is deposited (steatosis) in the liver when this is not due to excessive alcohol use. It is related to insulin resistance and the metabolic syndrome, and may respond to treatments originally developed for other insulin-resistant states (e.g. diabetes mellitus type 2), such as weight loss, metformin and thiazolidinediones.[1] Non-alcoholic steatohepatitis (NASH) is the most extreme form of NAFLD, which is regarded as a major cause of cirrhosis of the liver of unknown cause.[2]

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Dosenberry View Post
            While many people can thrive on a vegan or vegetarian diet, it would be an immense challenge to have the muscle mass that one can have by eating grass fed meat, fish and fowl. You must have protein to gain muscle and animal foods are by far the best sources, by far.

            Also, it is impossible to get enough EPA and DHA omega 3's from plant sources. We need fish. If one is a vegetarian or vegan then I would hope that he or she is taking a fish oil.
            This is a very crucial point that all vegans should know. It's not necessarily that they're going to be short on protein and not necessarily the case that they are going to have inflammation up the ass, but trying to resolve both of these at once is nearly impossible. Highly inflammatory sources of plant protein: soy, beans, hemp, nuts, grains. Flax and chia are not able to balance the inflammation from this and taking more than a bit of them is highly inflammatory itself so there will have to be a reduction in omega 6. Omega 6 restriction is actually a defense against omega 3 deficiency, but to try to get the protein, the omega 6 almost always comes along for the ride. So I would just say to eat some coconut, palm oil, tubers (cooked, silly rawists. Pff), a cup of properly fermented high protein legumes, fiddleheads for a bit of EPA, and algae-based DHA, properly soaked chia seeds, vegetables, fruits, take some supplements, done and done. Basically Kitavans with fish substitutes. That is actually probably healthier than the average omnivore (the average omnivore is the average person and the average person eats crap, and mostly processed junk meats on the protein end). So yes they will be less healthy than on animal-heavy paleo and they will be skinny but at least they will avoid a Lierre Keith situation.
            Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by dfast View Post
              There is a site dedicated to vegan bodybuilding...I won't link to it (Google will find it easily) but some of the physiques over there are pretty impressive.

              Also, there are vegan O3 products available which are produced from algae (that's why fish provide us with EPA/DHA - because they eat algae). I'm not trying to argue with you by the way, if it's coming accross like that .
              Nope, not at all


              I also want to mention that Jack Lalanne was vegetarian for a while (correct me if I am wrong). He ate all raw foods. But, he then decided to incorporate fish into his diet and stuck with it. He knew fish was lean and provided lots of protein. I have no idea when he added fish, but he did.

              So if one is vegan or vegetarian, why not at least add the most cleanest source of animal foods around? Today, there are mercury issues, BUT there are always a few companies that sell fish and seafood where you do NOT have to worry about this at all. Vital Choice comes to mind as one...

              However, fish is mighty expensive (unless you fish yourself) and that is why eating chicken beef, hunting deer, etc. is great. I bought 1/2 cow for only $2.88 lb.!!!!!!
              Find me at aToadontheRoad.com. Cheers!

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                This is a very crucial point that all vegans should know. It's not necessarily that they're going to be short on protein and not necessarily the case that they are going to have inflammation up the ass, but trying to resolve both of these at once is nearly impossible. Highly inflammatory sources of plant protein: soy, beans, hemp, nuts, grains. Flax and chia are not able to balance the inflammation from this and taking more than a bit of them is highly inflammatory itself so there will have to be a reduction in omega 6. Omega 6 restriction is actually a defense against omega 3 deficiency, but to try to get the protein, the omega 6 almost always comes along for the ride. So I would just say to eat some coconut, palm oil, tubers (cooked, silly rawists. Pff), a cup of properly fermented high protein legumes, fiddleheads for a bit of EPA, and algae-based DHA, properly soaked chia seeds, vegetables, fruits, take some supplements, done and done. Basically Kitavans with fish substitutes. That is actually probably healthier than the average omnivore (the average omnivore is the average person and the average person eats crap, and mostly processed junk meats on the protein end). So yes they will be less healthy than on animal-heavy paleo and they will be skinny but at least they will avoid a Lierre Keith situation.
                I didn't know hemp was inflammatory...that's interesting. I guess it IS high in O6, I'd just never thought about that aspect of it. The diet you describe is similar to the diets that a lot of my friends follow, except everyone seems to include a lot of hemp.

                Thanks for this post - I will mention it to my friends.

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                • #53
                  If they get the protein isolate with 1g or less of the fiber and none of the fat then that is probably fine. Probably. It is naive to assume that plants are more willing to give up their children for a human's dinner than a cow or a buffalo. Either way you get a fight.
                  Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                  Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Stabby View Post
                    It is naive to assume that plants are more willing to give up their children

                    Stabbs, that brain of yours is freakin' awesome.♡



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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by cillakat View Post
                      Stabbs, that brain of yours is freakin' awesome.♡
                      I agree 100% - simply amazing stuff.
                      Find me at aToadontheRoad.com. Cheers!

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                      • #56
                        I'm still checking back to this thread regularly. Still eating tuna/salmon at the moment...might try something different if I feel like it. Dairy I've never really liked anyway so that's fine. Eggs are a tricky...too easy to forget what happens to the male chicks. That's not how things should be (Or happened in Grok's time)

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